Your opinion on supporting Ukraine?
As much as I want to support our needs at home, I believe it is important to make a stand for people who want freedom. We have plenty of needs here in the US, but freedom is our foundation.
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
I've got a few issues:
1) I hate to see us supporting a war that has no clear "endgame". Putin is unlikely to give up. Ukraine is unlikely to give up. Western support leads to perpetual conflict.
2) Putin is a dictator. The rest of Europe has "managed" his antics for a few decades because most of the crap he pulls has been within his own borders. The Russian oil was enough for them to do no more than "strong words".
3) I strongly support Ukraine's effort to maintain their sovereignty.
4) The USA has been involved with this kind of stuff for 100+ years. I find it a little suspicious that suddenly now people want to draw the line, the same people that were unwilling to draw a line at Iraq or Afghanistan - and those were actual US troops, not just sending them our old weapons.
5) The US military spending is the elephant in the room, and it is a HUGE elephant. I would expect those crying about a few dollars to Ukraine would also be against a military budget that is multiple times greater than the next biggest spender.
1) I hate to see us supporting a war that has no clear "endgame". Putin is unlikely to give up. Ukraine is unlikely to give up. Western support leads to perpetual conflict.
2) Putin is a dictator. The rest of Europe has "managed" his antics for a few decades because most of the crap he pulls has been within his own borders. The Russian oil was enough for them to do no more than "strong words".
3) I strongly support Ukraine's effort to maintain their sovereignty.
4) The USA has been involved with this kind of stuff for 100+ years. I find it a little suspicious that suddenly now people want to draw the line, the same people that were unwilling to draw a line at Iraq or Afghanistan - and those were actual US troops, not just sending them our old weapons.
5) The US military spending is the elephant in the room, and it is a HUGE elephant. I would expect those crying about a few dollars to Ukraine would also be against a military budget that is multiple times greater than the next biggest spender.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@trollslayer Defund the military!
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@trollslayer Regarding # 4
Maybe people are sick of these endless wars and aren't buying the rational that worked for the last 100+ years. For your information, plenty of people in the US never supported the wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. It's not a new phenomena. Maybe people are sick of this.
Maybe people are sick of these endless wars and aren't buying the rational that worked for the last 100+ years. For your information, plenty of people in the US never supported the wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. It's not a new phenomena. Maybe people are sick of this.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@sunsporter1649 I think the USA could cut military spending in half and not compromise defense in any way.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@SumKindaMunster True, but a few differences 1) we don't have our troops involved (yet?) 2) The people against this arent the "peace loving hippies" - they are a different group of people who seem to be against this for political reasons.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@trollslayer We don't have regular combat troops, sure but we have military advisors and mercenaries there.
The hippies weren't against war for political reasons? What reasons did they have then?
The hippies weren't against war for political reasons? What reasons did they have then?
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@SumKindaMunster I'm saying the "peace loving hippies" were against fighting in general. Many of the folks today seem to be against the Ukraine war aid because Biden is president and it is something they can use against him. Had Trump been president and offered the same aid, many of the same critics would now be asking for more aid. The reverse is true, too. If Trump were president now and offering aid, many of those that currently favor helping Ukraine would probably be against helping. The "peace loving hippies" of the 1960s-1970s were against the war whether it was Johnson or Nixon in the WH.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@trollslayer [quote]Many of the folks today seem to be against the Ukraine war aid because Biden is president and it is something they can use against him[/quote]
Speaking for myself, its more like yet another pointless, stupid, endless war that we never supported or signed up for. Biden is incidental to this, he is there to support it and cheerlead the effort.
I think its utter speculation to suppose what Trump would have done on this effort.
But yes, I do agree a good portion of the population would oppose it simply on principle since it was Trump's doing.
[quote]The "peace loving hippies" of the 1960s-1970s were against the war whether it was Johnson or Nixon in the WH[/quote]
Agreed.
Speaking for myself, its more like yet another pointless, stupid, endless war that we never supported or signed up for. Biden is incidental to this, he is there to support it and cheerlead the effort.
I think its utter speculation to suppose what Trump would have done on this effort.
But yes, I do agree a good portion of the population would oppose it simply on principle since it was Trump's doing.
[quote]The "peace loving hippies" of the 1960s-1970s were against the war whether it was Johnson or Nixon in the WH[/quote]
Agreed.