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Fleeing Russians...won’t fight in Ukraine

Example..New York Times


First person: One 23-year-old bought a plane ticket to Istanbul, wrapped up his business and kissed his crying mother goodbye — all within about 12 hours of Putin’s announcement. He said he had no idea when he would return. “I was sitting and thinking about what I could die for, and I didn’t see any reason to die for the country,” he said.
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The not sensible ones have been rounded up and are in the army now.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
Has Putin thought about how reliably these conscripts will fight?

He had better send a lot of political commissars to shoot them if they retreat.
That's how Nikita Khrushchev got his start in WW2.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@helenS

I'm sure Putin is thinking along those lines, but he doesn't exercise nearly as much unquestioned authority as Stalin did.

The biomass Putin intends to throw against the Ukrainians will at some point turn against him, or maybe there will be a palace coup by people around Putin who see the revolt coming.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Thinkerbell i think a lot of people disagree with your opinion about Putin's power. So far, he has gotten away with a great deal, he has his supportive oligarchs, and secret police!
helenS · 36-40, F
@Thinkerbell A revolution in Russia would change everything, of course. I just can't see this will happen anytime soon.
Providing Ukraine with everything they need, whatever it may be, and organizing a total boycot of Russia on the ground, at sea and in the air (including a blocking of all harbors for Russian ships and all airports for Russian planes) is what we must do, and if we do it, the decline of the terror state is unavoidable. It may take some take, but it will happen.
graphite · 61-69, M
In WWII, the Soviet Union sent waves and waves and waves of young men to die, something like 27 million soldiers, along with civilians. Just forgotten, nameless dead men now who never got the chance to live their lives.
helenS · 36-40, F
@graphite They were victims of Nazi Germany's war of aggression in the first place.
caesar7 · 61-69, M
Someone HAS to take him out. Revolution or a sniper. There is no room for dictators in the present world.
caesar7 · 61-69, M
@helenS Yes, I agree......especially with his threats of using nukes.
helenS · 36-40, F
@caesar7 ... I wanted to say "every[b]thing[/b] goes wrong", of course. Corrected.
caesar7 · 61-69, M
@helenS 🙂understood.
graphite · 61-69, M
Wouldn't surprise me if Putin starts forcing his world class hockey players into the war, the ones he can get his hands on. Unlike his conventional troops, these athletes are in tip-top shape. At least one has already been stopped from leaving the country.
calicuz · 51-55, M
A man who won't die for his country is no man at all.
calicuz · 51-55, M
@Ontheroad

My friend, we are on the brink of war now.
With the Supreme Court reversing Roe V Wade out of nowhere.
My fellow citizens storming the Capital.
The Police continuing to murder their own citizens.
When Big Brother reveals himself, and claims to be the one with the solutions to all our problems and all we have to do is kneel and bow down to him and surrender all power to him, THAT is when the real and final war will begin.
The question is, are you prepared to fight and give your life for that war, or will you be the one who knells?
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Ontheroad · 61-69, M
@calicuz Sorry, I thought we were being rationale. Catch you on the flip side.
I think we should sell just die and get it over with.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Every nation has cannon fodder. Russia has more than most and can stand heavier troop losses than most .
helenS · 36-40, F
@AthrillatheHunt It's a strategy. Russia uses a "trial and error" approach. They attack somewhere, and if that does not work and 50,000 soldiers are dead, they try something else. With several million men in the pipeline this may eventually lead to success.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@helenS Russia can tolerate more troop casualties than any nation except China .
But after WW2 they had an entire generation growing up without fathers bc of 20 million dead soldiers .

 
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