What are realistic ways to end the ukraine war ?

i mean by now we can pretty much all agree that a military victory of russia isnt gonna happen and even if they should take kiev there is no way the ukraine would surrender.
so that is out of the question...

there is the possibility of russia just genociding all ukraines but if they go that far there will be international intervention... there is already 7 NATO countries that are willing to interdere in the war.

russia just going home and pretending this never happend... well the propaganda is strong and people even doubt the moonlanding.. maybe an option.

russia overthrowing the putin cronies and setting off a civil war in russia... well its an option.

so you see these are 4 scenarios that all dont seem every likely... so anyone got an idea how this can be solved ?

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dancingtongue · 80-89, M

Zelenskyy now says he is willing to talk to Putin and to agree Ukraine does not join NATO and remains neutral for security assurances from Russia. One can hope this would be enough face-saving for Putin, but doubtful. He might have to agree to internationally conducted/verified self-determination votes in the Donbas area, which could be a win for Zelenskyy as well -- probably not in territory, but getting rid of a painful and distracting irritation during rebuilding. Plus, what Zelenskyy currently is offering (neutrality/security assurances) sounds too much like what Stalin got from Hitler back in the day.

Madgirl · 26-30, F

@dancingtongue thing is they had this security assurance from russia already... and russia betrayed it. why would they ever ahve an agreement like that again ?

TheSirfurryanimalWales · 61-69, M

@Madgirl Well,Russia wouldn’t be one of the parties to the security agreement...hindsight is wonderful but Ukraine giving up their Inherited Soviet nukes was a huge mistake.
You don’t start a war with a nuclear capable country.

Madgirl · 26-30, F

@TheSirfurryanimalWales yeah... lesson learned for north korea here.. never ever ever make any agreement that involves giving up your nuclear weapons...

dancingtongue · 80-89, M

@Madgirl

they had this security assurance from russia already... and russia betrayed it

But the Ukraine was trying to join the EU and NATO, which Putin clearly saw as a betrayal on their part. Sort of a kettle, pot thing.