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ElwoodBlues · M
@Ferise1 says [quote]nato took away russias buffer zone, planted ...[/quote]
You, and Putin, seem to be ignoring a three-way treaty known as the [i]1994 Budapest Memorandum.[/i]
Essentially, Ukraine agreed to give up all its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for safety from a U.S. or Russian invasion. Russia's invasion of Ukraine violates that treaty. And as a signatory to that 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the U.S. has a definite interest in righting Putin's current wrongs.
[quote]In the final version of the deal, Russia promised not to attack Ukraine. While the U.S. and the U.K. assured Ukraine they would aid if it was attacked by Russia, that promised aid did not guarantee military support like a NATO country would receive.
In 2009, Russia and the U.S. announced that the assurances in the Budapest Memorandum would continue to remain in effect in the future.
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Sorry, dude, but Russia promised [i]specifically[/i] NOT to invade Ukraine, and the U.S. promised [i]specifically[/i] to ASSIST Ukraine if the treaty were ever violated. And that's JUST what the U.S. is doing now.
You, and Putin, seem to be ignoring a three-way treaty known as the [i]1994 Budapest Memorandum.[/i]
Essentially, Ukraine agreed to give up all its nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for safety from a U.S. or Russian invasion. Russia's invasion of Ukraine violates that treaty. And as a signatory to that 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the U.S. has a definite interest in righting Putin's current wrongs.
[quote]In the final version of the deal, Russia promised not to attack Ukraine. While the U.S. and the U.K. assured Ukraine they would aid if it was attacked by Russia, that promised aid did not guarantee military support like a NATO country would receive.
In 2009, Russia and the U.S. announced that the assurances in the Budapest Memorandum would continue to remain in effect in the future.
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https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/global-conflicts/ukraine-agreed-to-give-up-nukes-in-exchange-for-safety-from-russia-invasion-attack-budapest-memorandum-treaty/536-8748a51f-10ee-47f0-be30-b4088750ee44
Sorry, dude, but Russia promised [i]specifically[/i] NOT to invade Ukraine, and the U.S. promised [i]specifically[/i] to ASSIST Ukraine if the treaty were ever violated. And that's JUST what the U.S. is doing now.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Ferise1 So how did Comrade Putin's pizda taste this morning?
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Ferise1 I gave you a verifiable treaty with specific terms that Putin has violated. What treaties do you think NATO has violated?? Be specific.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Ferise1 So, no treaties then.
Who exactly is practically invading Russia and when were/are they doing it?
Who exactly is practically invading Russia and when were/are they doing it?
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Ferise1 DUUUDE!!! Ukraine was a buffer!!!
If Russia had managed to overthrow Kiev they'd have more NATO borders, LOL!!! And, having seen Putin's lawless invasion of Ukraine, of COURSE Finland wanted to join NATO!!! And they have every right to join.
Putin f*cked around and found out.
If Russia had managed to overthrow Kiev they'd have more NATO borders, LOL!!! And, having seen Putin's lawless invasion of Ukraine, of COURSE Finland wanted to join NATO!!! And they have every right to join.
Putin f*cked around and found out.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Ferise1 Says what treaty?????????
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Ferise1 [quote]The perceived need to recreate a buffer zone at Russia's borders against the West has pervaded Russia's leadership since the early 1990s.[/quote] If Russia wants specific concessions from a nation like Ukraine, Russia needs to negotiate a mutually beneficial treaty with Ukraine - like "you stay out of NATO and we'll buy your wheat above market prices" or something.
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That's a [i]request,[/i] not a treaty!!!
If Russia wants to renegotiate the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, they need to start at the negotiating table, not with troops and tanks on the road to Kiev.
It should be kind of obvious that if Russia's end goal is really a treaty, then beginning the process by violating a treaty is a piss poor way to start. Putin f*cked around and found out.
[quote]russia-tells-nato-it-wants-its-buffers[/quote]
That's a [i]request,[/i] not a treaty!!!
If Russia wants to renegotiate the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, they need to start at the negotiating table, not with troops and tanks on the road to Kiev.
It should be kind of obvious that if Russia's end goal is really a treaty, then beginning the process by violating a treaty is a piss poor way to start. Putin f*cked around and found out.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Ferise1 The West found out that Russian tanks suck, Russian missiles can't be depended on, Russian planes are easily shot down, and Russian ships are not well protected. The West found out that the Russian army does NOT have strength in depth, is exhausted, is running out of supplies, and Russian soldiers don't really want to die for Putin's expansionist dreams.
I have nothing against the Russian people. I had good friends in grad school who were raised in Russia. I think Putin was good for Russia for more than a decade. But those days are over; he's spending far too many Russian lives for too little gain.
I have nothing against the Russian people. I had good friends in grad school who were raised in Russia. I think Putin was good for Russia for more than a decade. But those days are over; he's spending far too many Russian lives for too little gain.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Ferise1 We found out how much the oligarchs and kleptocrats have weakened Russia. We found out Russia is effectively a gas station with nukes. But Russians aren't stupid enough to want to die in a nuclear suicide.