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sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
First, the men, women, and children used as human shields should not be referred to as "it" as you have often done in these comments. Doing so, dehumanizes them.
Next, do they have a soul?? That's a religious question. Personally, as a Christian, I do believe we each do have an eternal soul and this certainly includes the human beings you refer to as human shields.
I suspect from what I know of your beliefs that you do not believe they have souls. Am I wrong there? Do you accept a supernatural plane and the existence of a soul separate from the physical?
Next, do they have a soul?? That's a religious question. Personally, as a Christian, I do believe we each do have an eternal soul and this certainly includes the human beings you refer to as human shields.
I suspect from what I know of your beliefs that you do not believe they have souls. Am I wrong there? Do you accept a supernatural plane and the existence of a soul separate from the physical?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@sarabee1995 I don't think (even now) everyone on website understands how I try to use irony to make an impact. I am very dry and laconic. Very British, unfortunately.
What I'm aiming at with this post is satire. The official narratives put out when Gazans die is that they were human shields so this is blamed on Hamas. I'm trying to make people face up to these contradictions. Israeli civilians deaths are people with hopes, dreams and ambitions Palestinians are collateral damage, an unfortunate consequence of rigourous anti terrorism and they are human shields. Or so the official narrative seems to tell us.
Of course palestinians have souls and are human beings. My prime motivation for posting about this because I don't want these people to die. Or Israelis either but it's Gaza where the great tragedy is taking place.
What I'm aiming at with this post is satire. The official narratives put out when Gazans die is that they were human shields so this is blamed on Hamas. I'm trying to make people face up to these contradictions. Israeli civilians deaths are people with hopes, dreams and ambitions Palestinians are collateral damage, an unfortunate consequence of rigourous anti terrorism and they are human shields. Or so the official narrative seems to tell us.
Of course palestinians have souls and are human beings. My prime motivation for posting about this because I don't want these people to die. Or Israelis either but it's Gaza where the great tragedy is taking place.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, FVIP
@Burnley123 I did get the intended satire of your post. And I am aware of the contrast in how Israeli civilians deaths are portrayed and how the now 10,000 Gazan casualties have been portrayed.
But part of the reason for this difference is that the October attack on Israel intentionally targeted men, women, and children at home and many asleep. It intentionally targeted civilians. In the case of Israeli attacks on Gaza, the targeting is Hamas who intentionally sets itself behind civilians in the hope that those civilians will deter Israeli attacks (which in the past it did to some degree).
The Israeli civilians who died in Hamas attacks on October 7 were not forced to act as human shields. They were peaceful civilians living their lives with no military target behind them.
The Arabs living in Gaza under the brutal Hamas regime who have died in these Israeli counterattacks have died because Hamas is hiding behind them and forbidding them from moving.
Let's make sure we tell the complete story when we tell it.
But part of the reason for this difference is that the October attack on Israel intentionally targeted men, women, and children at home and many asleep. It intentionally targeted civilians. In the case of Israeli attacks on Gaza, the targeting is Hamas who intentionally sets itself behind civilians in the hope that those civilians will deter Israeli attacks (which in the past it did to some degree).
The Israeli civilians who died in Hamas attacks on October 7 were not forced to act as human shields. They were peaceful civilians living their lives with no military target behind them.
The Arabs living in Gaza under the brutal Hamas regime who have died in these Israeli counterattacks have died because Hamas is hiding behind them and forbidding them from moving.
Let's make sure we tell the complete story when we tell it.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@sarabee1995 I could respond in a number of ways but my big thing this they Israel wants to depopulate Gaza not just defeat hamas. The two seemingly go hand in hand.
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
@Burnley123
desfest hama
What does this involve? Is it irony or satire?
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Burnley123 if one compares the basic documents of Hamas and that of Israel, one finds only one calls for the total destruction of the other, and genocide, killing all Jews. It is important to remember October 7th to mention it whenever this war is discussed.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@samueltyler2 If one looks at what Israel is actually doing now...
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Burnley123 as in trying to eliminate a enemy which has vowed to eliminate it? Which has been living missiles across into Israel on a regular basis for bears, and against whom no other country will act? I think what the crazies on the West Bank are doing is wrong and they should be arrested for their crimes. I would hope a 2 state "solution" might produce peace, but I have great doubts, but it deserves a try, only if Hamas is gone. When Israel left Gaza it took less than 2 years for Hamas to take control then used most funds it managed to raise too build its fortifications, purchase weapons and produce October 7.
SW-User
@samueltyler2 Hamas is a terrorist group. They state their extremist goals openly. The Israeli government is not going to admit to what they want (Palestinians to go away--either by fleeing to Egypt or Jordan or another country or simply being killed off), but their actions speak louder than their words. Palestinians are a nuisance to the Israeli government and they want them gone. Hamas exists because of the prison-like conditions of Gaza. Israel has no one to blame but themselves for creating this problem.
This is part of "telling the whole story". It isn't "telling the whole story" to act like Hamas came out of nowhere. You can't ignore the context and the history that explain why Hamas exists and why they do what they do.
This is part of "telling the whole story". It isn't "telling the whole story" to act like Hamas came out of nowhere. You can't ignore the context and the history that explain why Hamas exists and why they do what they do.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@SW-User it is so wonderful to see how you blame those who have been the victims for thousands of years. You call Gaza prison-like which is your interpretation, and may truly reflect what happened after Hamas took over.
Remember that NO Arab country, or other, was willing to intervene for the Arabs in the area which resulted in Gaza becoming a ghetto. The 1967 and 1972 wars certainly didn't help them, again the neighboring wealthy countries did nothing to help.
This current problem was precipitated by Hamas's inhuman slaughter of over 1400 people, husband, wives, children, babies, and statements that they would repeat the efforts until all the Jews were killed.
Remember that NO Arab country, or other, was willing to intervene for the Arabs in the area which resulted in Gaza becoming a ghetto. The 1967 and 1972 wars certainly didn't help them, again the neighboring wealthy countries did nothing to help.
This current problem was precipitated by Hamas's inhuman slaughter of over 1400 people, husband, wives, children, babies, and statements that they would repeat the efforts until all the Jews were killed.