Ireland is the European country with the most pro-Palestine support.
As a Brit, I wonder why.
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CactusJackManson · M
@Guitarman123 Thank you. Good night.
Renaci · 36-40
@CactusJackManson You are a terrorist so I guess you would know huh.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@CactusJackManson I’m talking Northern Ireland in the 60s 70s and 80s. How recent are you referring to?
Richard65 · M
Because in the 17th century, the catholic Irish who lived in Ulster were forcibly evicted from their homes in order for them to be given to protestant Irish and English so the protestantism that dominated England could maintain a hold in what became Northern Ireland (an event which triggered all the Troubles that followed between Irish catholic Republicans and protestantant Unionists). You'll clearly see the perceived similarities between the two situations.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
[center][/center]@deadgerbil They are self-hatingroyalists, like me.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
"In the Republic of Ireland, the Irish historic experience is often unthinkingly, and incorrectly, transposed on the Arab-Israel dispute: the Israelis seemingly doomed to play the part of the nefarious occupying British, the Palestinians the role of the virtuous Irish fighting for their independence.
A 2014 ADL survey of antisemitism in Ireland found that 52% of the population agreed with the statement that “Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country,” 30% that “Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust,” 28% that “Jews have too much power in the business world,” 27% that “Jews think they are better than other people,” 25% that “Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind,” and 21% that “Jews have too much control over global affairs.”
In 2021, the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS) and the Jewish Agency cosponsored a report on European antisemitism. The chapter on Ireland documented extreme anti-Israel remarks by Irish parliamentarians that reveal clear anti-Jewish bigotry, including using the pejorative “Nazi” when describing the Jewish state, calling for Israel’s destruction, and propagating conspiracy theories such as of the Mossad’s purported responsibility for Jeremy Corbyn’s defeat in the 2019 UK elections."
--The Jerusalem Post
A 2014 ADL survey of antisemitism in Ireland found that 52% of the population agreed with the statement that “Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country,” 30% that “Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust,” 28% that “Jews have too much power in the business world,” 27% that “Jews think they are better than other people,” 25% that “Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind,” and 21% that “Jews have too much control over global affairs.”
In 2021, the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS) and the Jewish Agency cosponsored a report on European antisemitism. The chapter on Ireland documented extreme anti-Israel remarks by Irish parliamentarians that reveal clear anti-Jewish bigotry, including using the pejorative “Nazi” when describing the Jewish state, calling for Israel’s destruction, and propagating conspiracy theories such as of the Mossad’s purported responsibility for Jeremy Corbyn’s defeat in the 2019 UK elections."
--The Jerusalem Post
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 I was curious about your post so found that, but you’re right, I can’t speak to the veracity of the poll, or all of the comments made in the Irish Parliament. I was surprised to have found anything on the subject.
Why do you suppose Joyce made his protagonist in Ulysses Jewish? I notice SW has its own “Leopold Bloom.” Seems like a decent chap.
Why do you suppose Joyce made his protagonist in Ulysses Jewish? I notice SW has its own “Leopold Bloom.” Seems like a decent chap.
TurtleEclipseOfTheHeart · 22-25, F
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SumKindaMunster Much as I'd like the Irish to be all leftists, that is far from the case.
Within the EU, Ireland is known as a tax haven and undercuts other countries to get corporations to base themselves there. It's also run by two mainstream political parties who make up the traditional Irish elite: Educated in Trinity College Dublin or Oxford or Cambridge. It is neoliberal economically and there was a political consensus for savage cuts in welfare and public services after the 2008 financial crash.
However, Sinn Fein, the most Irish of Irish parties certainly does lean to the left and they are a significant force now.
In addition, the Irish historical memory is conditioned by the experiences of being oppressed subjects of British colonial rule. The Easter Rising and bloody Sunday (both of them) are important events in Irish history. So, even their conservative leaning politicians have to pay at least lip service to having sympathies for other colonised peoples and their actual left proudly wear Palestinian flags.
Within the EU, Ireland is known as a tax haven and undercuts other countries to get corporations to base themselves there. It's also run by two mainstream political parties who make up the traditional Irish elite: Educated in Trinity College Dublin or Oxford or Cambridge. It is neoliberal economically and there was a political consensus for savage cuts in welfare and public services after the 2008 financial crash.
However, Sinn Fein, the most Irish of Irish parties certainly does lean to the left and they are a significant force now.
In addition, the Irish historical memory is conditioned by the experiences of being oppressed subjects of British colonial rule. The Easter Rising and bloody Sunday (both of them) are important events in Irish history. So, even their conservative leaning politicians have to pay at least lip service to having sympathies for other colonised peoples and their actual left proudly wear Palestinian flags.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 Thanks. Some of this I knew, some I did not.
I am 1/4 Irish, my grandmother was born here to Irish immigrants.
I am 1/4 Irish, my grandmother was born here to Irish immigrants.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@firefall In other news, Ireland is big news in NZ because of other reasons. I'm watching the game.
firefall · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 *envy*
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@Quetzalcoatlus Definitely not local Protestant oppression, folks like Ian Pasley, and Protestant paramilitaries.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
bijouxbroussard · F
@SW-User Not everywhere in the U.S. There are Jewish people here who can empathize with the Palestinians because they disagree with some of Israel’s [b]actions[/b], proving that criticism of Israel’s policies as a country doesn’t make one anti-Semitic. It doesn’t even necessarily make one anti-[b]Israel[/b]; they’re certainly not.
thewindupbirdchronicles · 46-50, M
Might understand a certain kind of living that you only want to mock... If you think Palestine is the problem, I welcome you to look at the 1967 boundaries the UN set up.... fifty five years in... thousands killed. You found a cheap meme, congrats.
They have a love for terrorists….. like the Irish Republican Army.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@YourMomsSecretCrush that's really ignorant if Irish history.
Which IRA are you referring to?
The official IRA that disbanded in the 70s, the Provincial IRA, which?
You do know the IRA only formed because the Protestants harassed and massacred Irish Catholics for peacefully protesting for civil rights?
You are aware the Loyalists Protestants had their own Paramilitary Terrorist organisations too like the Ulster Volunteer Force?
Maybe Google Lenny Murphy or the Shankill Butchers and tell me then if the Ulster Prods were so nice.
Which IRA are you referring to?
The official IRA that disbanded in the 70s, the Provincial IRA, which?
You do know the IRA only formed because the Protestants harassed and massacred Irish Catholics for peacefully protesting for civil rights?
You are aware the Loyalists Protestants had their own Paramilitary Terrorist organisations too like the Ulster Volunteer Force?
Maybe Google Lenny Murphy or the Shankill Butchers and tell me then if the Ulster Prods were so nice.
@basilfawlty89 to be fair, the British royals are just as bad or even worse. Sometimes the British pick a fight they can’t win though. LOL
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@YourMomsSecretCrush yes, but the issue isn't the royals and while the British army made it worse, they didn't start the conflict or the violence. Bigoted Protestant settlers did.
SW-User
Palestine and Isreal are much like Ireland.
Much talk of God, but no compassion or solutions.
Much talk of God, but no compassion or solutions.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@SW-User People also believed it (The Troubles) was an unsolvable forever conflict not that long ago.
SW-User
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Yes, Ireland has moved a long way. So there is hope.
Leaving the EU has not helped, but the parties are trying to work round that one. There is a lot of goodwill.
And that has to be found in Palestine. But I despair.
Leaving the EU has not helped, but the parties are trying to work round that one. There is a lot of goodwill.
And that has to be found in Palestine. But I despair.
HannahSky · F
Where's that fuckin Irish elf @SW-User when you need him?
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MarmeeMarch Guess again Sherlock.