Who is Israel fighting
I am trying to figure out who are they fighting with. I look at a map of the country and is Gaza apart of the country or are they another country. I thought Gaza was just a big city or something
31-35, F
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It's confusing because it's complicated!
Israel is carved up into Israel as a country, and then increasingly fragmented land around it outside of Israel's borders, but not in another country. This is the Palestinian territories. West Bank and Gaza.
Keep in mind, Israel is a country with normal country stuff. Palestinian territory is NOT a country, and they are occupied by Israel, so Israel everything that goes in and out. Life in the territories is often intolerable and a lot of people are killed by Israel.
The current conflict is between Israel, and a Palestinian organization called Hamas.
And Hamas want to destroy Israel and get their land back. So Hamas have a history of attacking Israel in any way they can, frequently through acts of terrorism. This is in response to Israel causing a lot of death and destruction in the Palestinian territories but "who started it" doesn't matter at this point.
The current conflict is between Israel and Hamas.
Israel is carved up into Israel as a country, and then increasingly fragmented land around it outside of Israel's borders, but not in another country. This is the Palestinian territories. West Bank and Gaza.
Keep in mind, Israel is a country with normal country stuff. Palestinian territory is NOT a country, and they are occupied by Israel, so Israel everything that goes in and out. Life in the territories is often intolerable and a lot of people are killed by Israel.
The current conflict is between Israel, and a Palestinian organization called Hamas.
And Hamas want to destroy Israel and get their land back. So Hamas have a history of attacking Israel in any way they can, frequently through acts of terrorism. This is in response to Israel causing a lot of death and destruction in the Palestinian territories but "who started it" doesn't matter at this point.
The current conflict is between Israel and Hamas.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@jackieash Sort of yeah, it was under British control and its existence was weird and shaky after the Brits got control after the Ottoman empire fell in WWI.
The creation of Israel was a partition plan into an Arab and Israeli state but the outcome of that (and the six day war) was an Israeli state and Palestinian territories. The history is so complicated and messy I only know a very broad overview.
The creation of Israel was a partition plan into an Arab and Israeli state but the outcome of that (and the six day war) was an Israeli state and Palestinian territories. The history is so complicated and messy I only know a very broad overview.
LeopoldBloom · M
@CountScrofula The land never belonged to Hamas.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom Eh distinction without a difference the notion is that they believe it should be Palestine. Obviously Hamas never 'owned' Palestine they didn't exist and most of that group is like 19 years old.
LeopoldBloom · M
@CountScrofula Palestinians have been living there for a long time, but so have Jews. My point is that there never was a Palestinian state. The closest they got to that was the 1947 UN partition plan.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom Sure. I was illustrating that Hamas are Arab nationalists, not endorsing it as my own opinion since obviously the best future is one where Arabs and Jews can share the land peacefully (as naive as that sounds right now). Cheerfully conceded.
LeopoldBloom · M
@CountScrofula Hamas aren't Arab nationalists. They're a terrorist group that envisions a judenrein Middle East. They have no interest in unifying with other Arabs. They even hate their own Palestinian brethren in the PA.
LeopoldBloom · M
@jackieash The Romans named the area "Syria Palaestina" to poke the Jews in the eye by naming it after their ancient enemies, the Philistines. The area was generally referred to as "Palestine" until Israel was established. But it was never an independent country once the Romans defeated the Hasmoneans. After Roman rule, it was controlled by various Arab empires, the Crusaders, and more recently as part of the Ottoman Empire, then the British Mandate after World War One. The concept of "Palestinian Arab" didn't exist until the early part of the last century as a reaction to Jewish immigration from Europe and Zionism, which is nothing more than the belief that there should be a Jewish homeland in that area.
jackieash · 26-30
@LeopoldBloom thank you for that reply. It haa heped me undeestand a little better.