The relationship with the right wing, Jews, and Israel is paradoxical.

@LordShadowfire

You would seem to be solidly anti-Zionist.

I think the mood in the late 40s was sympathetic to Israel for a couple of reasons, namely, the Holocaust and cultural affinity for Jews verses Arabs. The colonial powers of France and Britain were on the way out, and the Jews seemed like a nice alternative.

My sense of Christian fundamentalists being pro Israel evolves from Christian Fundamentalists from the late 70s. Lot's of Holy Land tours, and a growing obsession with the End Times.

I don't see Israel going away, nor do I see two states. Israel has decided that will never happen and are content oppressing Palestinians.

@Fukfacewillie Yes and the problem is actually us. Specifically those of us who don't stand up and say, yeah we're Jews, but we don't owe anything to an oppressive apartheid state. The Evangelicals are a special kind of crazy fucked up.

Bottom line, we can do something about it, through advocacy, but we still want to show up at family gathering, with people who will lecture you about apartheid everywhere, and how we're not paying attention to our US racial divide, etc, while praising Israeli policies. Shame on us.

@Northwest The Jewish lobby and Bibi saw the writing on the walls and began appealing to the right wing. I'd love if American aid was conditioned on the settlements. Will never happen.

I don't have those conversations, luckily, not sure how I would handle them.

@Fukfacewillie I just really wish the Palestinians could be happy not being in possession of that particular patch of land, but unfortunately, they consider it sacred. To me, either all land is sacred or none of it is. But they want that specific piece of the Earth, and I agree that a two country solution won't work.

@LordShadowfire I think most were fine with a two state solution. I know Israeli considered the land given to them by God, so that's pretty sacred.