SWNewDragon · M
@ArishMell this "war" should have never happened to begin with the United States needs to just mind their own business and stop trying to fight all these other countries wars for them
CleverGirl · 26-30, F
Alyosha · 36-40, M
I remember when I was a child talking to my dad about his career (he was a USMC fighter pilot) and he told me that you can win with air power - but: "you still have to stand on the ground you've taken." There's no real way to beat Iran without ground troops. You can do whatever you want from the air, but as long as they still stand on that ground, they haven't really lost. And that's pretty much our enemies' strategy these days - outlast us. It's worked well for them ever since Vietnam.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, MVIP
@Alyosha And putting troops on the ground is certain path to defeat for America. Those troops will aotomatically become targets and casualties as soon as they are in rifle range..😷
swirlie · 31-35, F
@Alyosha
You mean, it's worked well for them ever since the War of 1812, Vietnam, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Iran will prove to be one more bad experience that the US military can add to it's list of lost wars that America started.
I wonder when the US military is going to figure out that Americans are really not natural warriors, despite having access to the best hardware in existence?
And that's pretty much our enemies' strategy these days - outlast us. It's worked well for them ever since Vietnam.
You mean, it's worked well for them ever since the War of 1812, Vietnam, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Iran will prove to be one more bad experience that the US military can add to it's list of lost wars that America started.
I wonder when the US military is going to figure out that Americans are really not natural warriors, despite having access to the best hardware in existence?
DealingWithTrouble · 41-45, M
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@DealingWithTrouble yes! US voters allow war profits.
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
Charity · 70-79
I seriously doubt it, Iran has too many sanctions for too many years to acquire a stockpile of weaponry, though they have a lot not as much as the US.
ElwoodBlues · M
SisterShadow · 18-21, F
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SisterShadow And Israel, who started it?
Israel and Iran have never made it a secret of wanting each other to collapse, and they are consistent in that; but the USA's aim seems to change every week.
There is no sign that the Iranian rule will collapse. It is undeniably deeply fascist and belligerant; but like some other totalitarian states, its system is designed for continuity even with heavy losses of sennior politicians and officials.
If it did though, what will replace it? A chaotic, barely-habitable mess ripe for exploitation by Russia, China and brigands like ISIS or the Taliban?
Israel and Iran have never made it a secret of wanting each other to collapse, and they are consistent in that; but the USA's aim seems to change every week.
There is no sign that the Iranian rule will collapse. It is undeniably deeply fascist and belligerant; but like some other totalitarian states, its system is designed for continuity even with heavy losses of sennior politicians and officials.
If it did though, what will replace it? A chaotic, barely-habitable mess ripe for exploitation by Russia, China and brigands like ISIS or the Taliban?
anathemaJack · 51-55, M
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, MVIP
@anathemaJack Not to be confused with the "elected representatives".😷
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, MVIP
The thing people forget to do is set the conditions for Victory before things get out of hand. All Iran has to do to "win". Is survive. America has to change things in a way that is specifically favourable to them. My money is on Iran..Short of Israel nuking the place..Then I think the world will have much bigger problems..😷
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, MVIP
@LordShadowfire Yes. Its all fun and games until someone blows up your family..😷
anathemaJack · 51-55, M
@LordShadowfire Nice.
swirlie · 31-35, F
@Adstar
Not correct. The USA has lost it's war with Iran, just like it lost with Iraq, just like it lost with Afghanistan and Vietnam before that.
This dovetailed war game the USA is hell-bent on playing with the Middle East for the last 30+ years is achieving nothing in the name of peace in the Middle East, but it doesn't help that the USA doesn't actually know how to win wars that it starts which has been the case for the last 214 years of American war history.
Not correct. The USA has lost it's war with Iran, just like it lost with Iraq, just like it lost with Afghanistan and Vietnam before that.
This dovetailed war game the USA is hell-bent on playing with the Middle East for the last 30+ years is achieving nothing in the name of peace in the Middle East, but it doesn't help that the USA doesn't actually know how to win wars that it starts which has been the case for the last 214 years of American war history.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, MVIP
@swirlie To be brutally fair to the US, depending on how you define victory, both sides could win this. I have already stated that all Iran has to do to win is survive, with the theocracy intact.
It is equally possible to define conditions where the US has won. If you define victory as extra profits to oil companies and massive supply contracts to defence industry and armament contractors to replace the ordinance expended by America and Israel throughout this campaign. Of course this will mean printing more $. But thats not todays problem..😷
It is equally possible to define conditions where the US has won. If you define victory as extra profits to oil companies and massive supply contracts to defence industry and armament contractors to replace the ordinance expended by America and Israel throughout this campaign. Of course this will mean printing more $. But thats not todays problem..😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, MVIP
@Tracos It is difficult to deal with someones opinion when they cant see past a strictly codified set of preconditions, such as a duel, or a sporting contest.
Please go and read something on an introduction to game theory, where various "victory" preconditions can be outlined that look nothing like victory on a battlefield. America can easily "win" a real war with Iran. By simply turning the whole nation into blackened radioactive glass. There is your victory.. But anything less that this means there will be no regime change and no oil. Also no peace in the region. 3000 years of Persian history says so.
On the other hand, all America has to do to lose is lose a few aircraft and fighting personell. Or heaven forbid an aircraft carrier and the reaction of the public will change the regime in America,...And this is being fought in Irans back yard..They have the local knowledge and the home ground advantage. And they will still be there when the Americans sail away..Thats all they need for victory..😷
Please go and read something on an introduction to game theory, where various "victory" preconditions can be outlined that look nothing like victory on a battlefield. America can easily "win" a real war with Iran. By simply turning the whole nation into blackened radioactive glass. There is your victory.. But anything less that this means there will be no regime change and no oil. Also no peace in the region. 3000 years of Persian history says so.
On the other hand, all America has to do to lose is lose a few aircraft and fighting personell. Or heaven forbid an aircraft carrier and the reaction of the public will change the regime in America,...And this is being fought in Irans back yard..They have the local knowledge and the home ground advantage. And they will still be there when the Americans sail away..Thats all they need for victory..😷
Tracos · 56-60, M
@whowasthatmaskedman exactly... the US, or rather israel, are the aggressor in this particular situation... and what does Iran win when the US walk away? a devastated infrastructure and massive loss of life that hardly gets mentioned in the press. and everytime a modicum of potential peace might happen israel starts bombing foreign nations again with zero regards of civilian casualties or diplomatic repercussions.
the only people who seem to be winning are the arms dealers and military industrial complex
the only people who seem to be winning are the arms dealers and military industrial complex
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, MVIP
@MrSmooTh By all means, please describe the "military objectives" that end in "Victory" for Trumps side here. And include how these will be achieved without putting American servicepeople in harms way??😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, MVIP
@MrSmooTh Good point. I would rather be one of them than one of those.. Not that there is anything wrong with that..😷
SinlessOnslaught · M
I'm certainly not on the US's side morally but at the same time, I don't understand how Iran could win the war. The US has all the military power, unfortunately.
jackjones68 · 51-55, M
SWNewDragon · M
Does anyone even care one way or the other anymore
GoFish ·
@SWNewDragon lots of people care and the ones who don't are beyond ignorant af
SWNewDragon · M
@GoFish thats only your opinion alot of people actually dont give a shit and think the United States should just mind their own damn business and stop trying to fight other countries wars for them
Sharon · F
@BobbySpeedy Iran will respect the ceasefire, I'm not so sure about Israel or the US though.
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