150 killed in girls school by Israel/USA
No reports on the BBC ... again biased journalism
How many of these were children
How is this ok?
How many of these were children
How is this ok?
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
I have a friend who keeps telling me that things aren't on the BBC. I have several responses:
1) Wait. They don't put out things they haven't verified from at least two sources without saying it's unverified. Someone repeating stuff from people repeating stuff doesn't make it true. When it's confirmed it's published, usually on air first, then online.
2) Numbers are always contested. A nice round number like 150 is always suspicious. Accuracy is important for reputable news organisations, but not in gossip.
3) It might not be true.
4) You weren't listening/watching the bulletin that broadcast it because you were too busy online complaining that they weren't reporting it.
(I don't say the last bit, because he's a friend.)
1) Wait. They don't put out things they haven't verified from at least two sources without saying it's unverified. Someone repeating stuff from people repeating stuff doesn't make it true. When it's confirmed it's published, usually on air first, then online.
2) Numbers are always contested. A nice round number like 150 is always suspicious. Accuracy is important for reputable news organisations, but not in gossip.
3) It might not be true.
4) You weren't listening/watching the bulletin that broadcast it because you were too busy online complaining that they weren't reporting it.
(I don't say the last bit, because he's a friend.)
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@ididntknow
Yes, of course. The select.
However, I will definitely be looking at these sites and making an assessment.
anyone in the know,
Yes, of course. The select.
However, I will definitely be looking at these sites and making an assessment.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@BabyLonia
Which bit did you find 'kinda rude'? I have seen it on the BBC in the past half hour and it was reported as being rumored before there was verification. I am sorry if you think placing an opinion different to yours (with evidence) is rude, but that's the nature of text only communication: you can't hear my gentle voice disagreeing with you.
you are kinda rude
Which bit did you find 'kinda rude'? I have seen it on the BBC in the past half hour and it was reported as being rumored before there was verification. I am sorry if you think placing an opinion different to yours (with evidence) is rude, but that's the nature of text only communication: you can't hear my gentle voice disagreeing with you.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1l7rvqq51eo
The BBC is absolutely pro-Israel, but I found an article instantly. Granted, loaded with weaselly language to avoid treating the bombing as an aggressive act.
And it's not okay. I think anybody who sees this and doesn't respond with horror and outrage has sorely last some part of their humanity.
The BBC is absolutely pro-Israel, but I found an article instantly. Granted, loaded with weaselly language to avoid treating the bombing as an aggressive act.
And it's not okay. I think anybody who sees this and doesn't respond with horror and outrage has sorely last some part of their humanity.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@MartinII No, that just makes you out to be a conspiracy theorist who believes that everyone in the media is a corrupt partisan - except for those who share your politics of course.
Journalists are employed to tell the truth. When they are prevented from doing so, they get mad.
The BBC having a soft pro-Israeli stance rather than an openly fanatical one does not change the fact it is pro-Israeli.
Journalists are employed to tell the truth. When they are prevented from doing so, they get mad.
The BBC having a soft pro-Israeli stance rather than an openly fanatical one does not change the fact it is pro-Israeli.
BabyLonia · F
@CountScrofula the article may have been after i posted this but it has not been reported on tv/radio news
ArishMell · 70-79, M
It was reported by the BBC yesterday but the report had to admit that at the time it was not yet verified.
The BBC is not biased...but many of its sources and certainly its attackers are. If it was biased as you allege it only ever give one side - probably that of the Israeli and USA governments. No interviews with Iranian officials, as well, for example.
The BBC is not biased...but many of its sources and certainly its attackers are. If it was biased as you allege it only ever give one side - probably that of the Israeli and USA governments. No interviews with Iranian officials, as well, for example.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
I first heard the news on the BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1l7rvqq51eo
The details were reported by Iranian officials and have not yet been verified owing to restrictions on the western media operating inside Iran. However, the BBC has confirmed smoke rising from the site of the incident.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1l7rvqq51eo
The details were reported by Iranian officials and have not yet been verified owing to restrictions on the western media operating inside Iran. However, the BBC has confirmed smoke rising from the site of the incident.
BabyLonia · F
@SunshineGirl it was not reported on the news, not before i made this post.
ThirstenHowl · M
the BBC is literally one of the articles I saw about it
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1l7rvqq51eo
and whether it's Al Jazeera, France 24, the New York Times, or any other legit outlet, all the articles are only able to repeat the official line of Iranian state media about this tragedy
which is really what one would expect in a country with major restrictions on news organizations, and where Google Maps Street View isn't even available around that building in Minab, making it hard to indepedently verify any details beyond the fact that a tragedy did occur, and every time something happens in Iran the regime also imposes Internet blackouts ... it will be difficult to know for sure the actual truth in a setting like that, run by a regime known for decades for spreading disinformation
never mind this is a country that for 3 days in 2020 denied that it had accidentally shot down a Ukranian airliner, and has been accused in the past of staging attacks on its own people to further its narratives about its enemies
it's also a country well known for locating military infrastructure close to civilian infrastructure, so it's not at all surprising where their Hamas proxies got the human shield idea
some people are also saying this tragedy was caused by an IRGC missile fired from the IRGC navy base right next to the school, which malfunctioned and fell back onto the school
the frustrating fact of the matter is that it's still too early to fully know the details of this specific tragedy in the newest wave of aggression against Iran by the US and Israel
most sane people know the US and Israel are both run by royal cvnts right now, but that doesn't automatically explain how this school was struck, and only patience may ever actually reveal the truth, whether the US or Israel had bad intel, whether a Tomahawk suddenly became as inaccurate as an aging Russian Kh-22 missile, whether Iran itself was actually responsible, or something else
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1l7rvqq51eo
and whether it's Al Jazeera, France 24, the New York Times, or any other legit outlet, all the articles are only able to repeat the official line of Iranian state media about this tragedy
which is really what one would expect in a country with major restrictions on news organizations, and where Google Maps Street View isn't even available around that building in Minab, making it hard to indepedently verify any details beyond the fact that a tragedy did occur, and every time something happens in Iran the regime also imposes Internet blackouts ... it will be difficult to know for sure the actual truth in a setting like that, run by a regime known for decades for spreading disinformation
never mind this is a country that for 3 days in 2020 denied that it had accidentally shot down a Ukranian airliner, and has been accused in the past of staging attacks on its own people to further its narratives about its enemies
it's also a country well known for locating military infrastructure close to civilian infrastructure, so it's not at all surprising where their Hamas proxies got the human shield idea
some people are also saying this tragedy was caused by an IRGC missile fired from the IRGC navy base right next to the school, which malfunctioned and fell back onto the school
the frustrating fact of the matter is that it's still too early to fully know the details of this specific tragedy in the newest wave of aggression against Iran by the US and Israel
most sane people know the US and Israel are both run by royal cvnts right now, but that doesn't automatically explain how this school was struck, and only patience may ever actually reveal the truth, whether the US or Israel had bad intel, whether a Tomahawk suddenly became as inaccurate as an aging Russian Kh-22 missile, whether Iran itself was actually responsible, or something else
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ThirstenHowl I don't think the US forces would knowingly aim at a school, but as you say it may be some while before we know what really happened.
Meanwhile the Iranian government is trying to deny its murder of all those protestors.
Meanwhile the Iranian government is trying to deny its murder of all those protestors.
BabyLonia · F
@ThirstenHowl this was not at time of posting, plus i was watching the bbc news channel all morning and did not hear the news.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
ineedadrink · 56-60, M
BabyLonia · F
@ineedadrink the news is now being reported more widely
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Not surprisingly.
It's not amatter of who reports it, but whether it can be reported at all accurately.
The Iranian government is not going to admit any numbers, and it is likely we'll never know the real numbers.
It's that regime's version of the Tianmen Square massacre, and it would not surprise me in the least if it massages the killings and the dead out of history as the Chinese government did.
It's not amatter of who reports it, but whether it can be reported at all accurately.
The Iranian government is not going to admit any numbers, and it is likely we'll never know the real numbers.
It's that regime's version of the Tianmen Square massacre, and it would not surprise me in the least if it massages the killings and the dead out of history as the Chinese government did.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
BabyLonia · F
@AthrillatheHunt do you still need news articles?
Oneofthestormboys · 56-60, M
Where was this reported? Reuters?
BabyLonia · F
@Oneofthestormboys do you still need verification?
ididntknow · 56-60, M
We’re living in the matrix, only one narrative
swirlie · 31-35
As an American cultural standard, if the victims of collateral damage are not American, then they don't matter. Just ask any American if you don't believe me.
StygianKohlrabi · 46-50, M