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How long until China looks at all the Russian Land as easy to take?

Russia is supposedly a friend to China, but really China needs more land. Why fight and loose a million people over Taiwan and risk nuclear war, when they could invade Russia instead. Crossing a land border. There would be no help from the West for Russia at this point, and China would win easily. A massive land grab with no boundaries.
Take out the nuclear bunkers on one massive attack and then move your recliners in.
RedGrizzly · 26-30, F
Idk, I'm no expert on the subject by a long shot. But my guess is China wouldn't be able to put Russia to their knees for a land grab. Only because the Germans tried to in WW2, and just couldn't handle it. A lot due to their climate is what I was taught in class a decade ago. I'll have to brush up some to know the real reasons for this. But China is fighting a different war with the U.S. with their trade deals, buying and selling our own land back to us, buying out companies, it's a war in business...unless WW3 happens. 😬
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@RedGrizzly Exactly. Since the economy went global the aims of warfare have changed. It is now cheaper and easier to occupy a nations business interests and dominate their economy as part of the world trading network than it is to disrupt business by pounding the people into the ground and occupying them.😷
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@RedGrizzly The French, under Napoleon Bonaparte, had tried invading Russia as well, also failed.

The climate is a major factor but so is the sheer size of the country. The further from home you fight, the wider your front, the longer your supply-lines and the easier it is for the victims to attack your flanks.

For Germany in WW2 though, its turning against Russia gave itself enemies on two major fronts in geographically opposite directions against a single bloc of allies for the time being.

While both countries were Communist, China and Russia had a very uneasy relationship indeed, and their Amur River border was one of the most heavily watched and guarded in the world. It is still heavily military but the two countries are now on much better terms despite the fall of Communism in Russia.

Their trade with each other has even extended to China building at least one new railway across Mongolia to join the Trans-Siberian Railway*, presumably part of its "Belt Road" initiative whose actions include buying the Greek port of Piraeus, and building facilities in developing countries who can never repay the Chinese "loans" involved.

China is unlikely to even think of trying to take over Russia. She would know she would fail. Her first aim is to take Taiwan, then to become the world's most powerful country. She does not need invade Russia for that, but instead to trade with it - principally buying Russian gas, petroleum and ores. Whilst also supporting a general anti-"West" programme based on commercial advantage, the Internet and naked interference.


*Trans-Siberian Railway: This is a very busy line, and until the invasion of Ukraine, carrying a lot of goods between Asia and Europe.

Recently China apparently published a glossy video promoting a "new", non-stop (?) goods-trains only service, all the way from China to Spain. The video ignored the matter of the break-of-gauge between Russian and European railways, and its map showed the line going not South-West to Spain but turning North to terminate in Belgium. Very odd. Perhaps the video was not real even by Chinese propaganda standards, but an elaborate hoax by Persons Unknown.
graphite · 61-69, M
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
I've been thinking that too but according to Peter Zeihan China only has about 10 years left and they have nobody left to run the place when the current dictator dies. He killed off everyone else. Putin has done the same thing in Russia. Both countries have terrible demographics
No kids. All old retired folks. The world is going to change a lot.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Tastyfrzz I think China would have the greater chance of continuity despite both countries' economic and demographic problems. Although its Presidents are there for life or until they step down (or are deposed?) they and the central government are basically caretakers for the time being of a system designed for far longevity.

What happens to Russia after President Putin is anyone's guess, and I doubt even the most knowlegeable diplomats and analysts can guess it very accurately. His going could well leave a dangerous power vacuum that bodies like the Wagner Group would exploit. (It is still very active, under a different name which I forget, especially in Africa.)

The more difficult country to assess on this basis is North Korea. Kim Il Jong is thought to be grooming his daughter, now in her early teens, as a possible inheritor of this dynastic dictatorship whose own "ism" term is "Kimilism".
China will show no interest in Russia, it is already a vassal state.
ididntknow · 51-55, M
America is the problem, not Russia or China
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@ididntknow American Empire?

Where's that?
ididntknow · 51-55, M
@newjaninev2 All over the world, over 800 military bases around the world,
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@ididntknow Accepting an citation and being welcome is not building an empire.

Invading the sovereign democracy of Ukraine murdering its men, women, children, and babies - that's empire-building.
Ferric67 · M
They have been fighting with each other for centuries
Convivial · 26-30, F
Plus Siberia is rather rich in natural resources
Briggett · T
Flipping the script interesting.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
How long? It has already begun
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Nick1 · 61-69, M
@whowasthatmaskedman China is already doing that in many countries. It won’t be surprise if they have secret deal.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Nick1 They are already well dug in to America. First in the ownership of property, and business. Butmore importantly, poised to disrupt supply line in large domestic suppliers like the car and electronic industry, by having monopolized niche segments of the supply chain. It only takes a couple of calls to halt production of American made cars and commerical aircraft..😷
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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@MarmeeMarch The Mongols ruled all of russia (and more) for over 300 years.
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