Women "lose their value"

@Iwantyourhotwife I'm not the one who said they either had or didn't have a "value" one can't put value on human beings either way. That IS the whole point, those burqa's are intended to hide a woman's identity and make her understand that she is beholden to the men for her survival, very few women in Afghanistan have jobs, all they are good for is making male babies and taking care of the man who owns them. Even when they go out in public they must be accompanied by a male family member...

Also, I never said they were "reduced to a cloth sack for covering up" I said that I preferred talking to a person, not a cloth sack with eyes.

How would you describe this?

@spjennifer I would describe that person as a person.... even if you only see a cloth sack with eyes. I see a human, no matter how she is dressed. (Could even be a mannequin but you get me) You know. Human rights. Women's rights. Women's value, no matter how she is dressed. Why can't we be honest

Am I missing something?

@Iwantyourhotwife You seem to be missing the whole point of the post, of course she's a person, the cloth sack with eyes is how the men there want her to appear, women there have few rights, they don't even get educated beyond grade school, their sole purpose is to make babies and take care of the men, they are only allowed to speak when their man allows it first.

@spjennifer well those are some pretty oppressive living conditions. If those are being imposed on them, that's not good

Is your main point that you care about Afghan women and their oppression? And I guess I missed that by focusing on some words that kinda threw me off?

@Annie13 why do you tie a woman's humanity with her clothes?

How much clothing less than a burqa must a woman wear to be human enough for YOU to respect her humanity? ._.

@Annie13 and self-identity as well^

@Annie13 This is contradictory to your entire point. A burqa is clothing and the whole point of clothing is that you wear it. You're arguing that the wearing of this clothing comes with with an impact on a woman's humanity and self identity. I simply find that this reasoning is problematic.

You assert that wearing the burqa implies that women lose their humanity and self identity. You try to substantiate this point by saying that their faces are no longer distinguishable with expressions as well.

What does this mean?
Before burqa:

- Body is on display
- Facial beauty is on display
- Facial expressions are on display

After:

- Body is not on display
- Facial beauty is not on display
- Facial expressions are not on display

Is this all a woman is?

If this is your issue, you have a very minimalistic, materialistic method to respect and identify humanity and identity in women. And this was my entire point. Women don't lose their identity, life, individuality, respect, and worth as a human (part of humanity) simply because these are not on display for some guy like you to see. Or me. Or any guy.

Hence, this is why my question was directed to you as such:
You have to demonstrate why you stand by tying humanity to clothes and self identity to clothes.

@Iwantyourhotwife


And that was the whole point of the post, you did miss it by focusing solely on the clothing itself and not the men's reasoning behind forcing women to wear them. What the burqa does essentially is remove any form of self expression and individuality/identity by the women, they become nothing more than silent, invisible objects with no power of expression or speech as they are not permitted to go out in public without being accompanied by a male family member to ensure their rules are obeyed by the women. So, yes, those are very oppressive living conditions!

@Annie13 Perhaps the full sentence would make the context more clear....

That very sentence was:
The point of the sentence was to protect women's value as a human being 🥲
That it doesn't matter what you or anyone says, does, or sees. That women matter....
How can you be trying to twist my point to mean that? This seems incredibly disingenuous and baised, or we have MAJOR communication issues. (And seeing my face wouldn't help with this)

Do you believe a prisoner's uniform makes a prisoner less than human?
Do they lose humanity? Their worthiness of human rights? I have to know your response

Because I say no. If you say yes, then I got nothing more to say than the fact that we got different ways we map value to human beings. Mine doesn't change based on what a human wears. You would have a criteria in your mind that if someone doesn't wear something according to you, then their humanity disappears. Meaning that you would treat people differently or view them differently based on merely clothes. That's a you problem at that point. Unless we got a misunderstanding here.


You couldn't be farther from the truth. I'll ask it simply. Did you know a lot of Muslim women choose to wear the burqa and are not forced into it? What do you make of that? Tell me about it


To address communication, yeah. I can agree to that

For mental health, I can't back you up on that because I don't have any data or knowledge on this

Please answer my question. I'll ask it again:
Is this all a woman is?
You cannot respond with "a woman can be whatever she wants to be" because that makes no sense. What if she wants to be NOT a woman? And even if we take your stance, what if she chooses to be more than her face, body, and facial expressions? Would you respect her humanity then even if she wears the burqa voluntarily?
To rephrase it, does a woman's humanness disappear from being honored and respected when she doesn't display her body, face, and facial expressions? You kept making the case that the burqa removes humanity from women. I'm asking it so directly here about her humanity now...

Okay, I can agree to culture but not individuality. Two people wearing the same outfit suddenly don't lose individuality. Maybe we have a human respect issue for women here.

@spjennifer I see two main points. One is the burqa being forced onto women under Taliban rule. Two is the statement that women lose value as you see their face.

My stance:

1. Forcing is wrong. I'm with you
2. Women's value does not really relate to her being seen

Other point you made:


You also implied women in burqas are cloth sacks with eyes. You directly called them that. Or at the most generous intersection, you made a comparison to burqa wearing women with a cloth sack. And yes, you said the cloth sack had eyes. However, it is nonetheless a sack of cloth according to your phrasing

It is the other points you made that I take contention with. If we agree on points one and two, good.

These other points have been my focus and they are the new focus I have and thid is a common sentiment of many supremacist for white, western values. These remarks diminishing a woman who admires the burqa and wears it are offensive and need to be addressed.

@Iwantyourhotwife I speak from personal experience, I spent more than 2.5 out of the last 20 years in Afghanistan and not one single woman I ever met willingly wanted to wear the full on burqa. Most were ok with the hijab when the Taliban were ousted and they did wear those as it is an acceptable form of dress for most of them and is in accordance with their Muslim faith. Would you be willing to wear a burqa?

@Annie13 thank you for mentioning that but it is off topic and comes across as a clear red herring to any of themyriad points. So, what exactly is your response to anything I've demonstrated or asked? Specifically about clothes and humanity?

It is clear that you have denied answering some rather critical questions, twice now. Why have you dodged them?

For someone arguing against the burqa and talking like he cares about communication, you put a metaphorical "burqa" over your answers to any questions 😂
What are you hiding?

Only one question will help get to the bottom of this, if you are an honest person:

@spjennifer I don't want to wear the burqa myself. So no, I don't think I'd be willing to wear it

@Iwantyourhotwife


So now we get to the crux of the matter, why wouldn't you want to wear one?

@Iwantyourhotwife I find it fascinating that someone like you derides me for mentioning that burqas are nothing more than a sack. Could your very own username be any more derogatory to women than it is?
"I want your hot wife", in other words you want to have sex with the wife of another man based on how she looks? Could you possibly be a bigger hypocrite than that??? So a woman is nothing more to you than a piece of ass??? But I'm bad for saying women shouldn't be forced to wear a burqa? Guys like you make me want to 🤮

@spjennifer I just simply don't want to tbh. I'm free. It just isn't even for guys anyways

And hold up now, yo 😭
I'm ngl, you got a good point there with the name of the account thing but I don't even own this account. I'm borrowing it!
You got me messed up out here yo ;-;
Gah dayum

I be saying this to everyone I come across. I'm with you on the username joint!

Oy >:v
I didn't say that. I thought I articulated my stance very clearly ,_,
I respect women v_v
And my respect supercedes clothing fkr her humanity

That was merely my point on repeat

@Annie13 okay, we're finally making some sort of progress. If this whole time you're talking about imposing the burqa, that makes a lot more sense and I can agree. Since your entry, it sounded like you were attacking the culture and clothing of women who wear it voluntarily

@Iwantyourhotwife Ok, well, we're done here, if you're using someone else's account, why don't you grow a pair and get an account of your own...