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Has unity become a foul word?

@Soossie's post got me to thinking about our country and wondering if, at this juncture, we the people could find the pathway to a unified country.

Granted, we’ve never, except for rare moments, truly been unified, or even a gracious (to one another) nation; but is it impossible for the majority of us to sit and “break bread” and become unified in a way forward?

What are your thoughts both for and against the idea?

I'm open to thoughts and ideas from others than those who live in the U.S.
We can't have ANY discourse if one side rejects any provable fact and any education, background, training, experience, expertise, thinking, intelligence.

If we can't agree on this:

You are welcome to your views, but NOT your own facts.

then there is nothing to be done.
ffony · M
@SomeMichGuy You apparently are unable to have thoughts outside of the US partisan politics with which you are obsessed. Too bad; I'm sorry.
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Miram · 31-35, F
It was only a matter of time for things to get bad. If you can dehumanize someone outside of your country enough to wage wars against them and consider them mere collateral damage, you can do it to your own.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
When people operate on emotion and not logic unity is tough. Emotions change frequently. If we could just stay logical long enough we could unify .
@AthrillatheHunt Well put.
Ontheroad · M
It's become a foul word because now, perhaps for the first time in America's history, one of the two major political parties is fascist. When people talk about unity now, they're saying we should respect Fascism as an acceptable political stance, even if we disagree with it. I wish Democrats had the spine to say no, we're not going to find common ground with people who want to burn down our democratic institutions.
KingofBones1 · 46-50, M
Sure as long as you don't try to take away my guns or right to have them, stay out of how I live my life in my own house, and don't over tax me to the point where I have to live on top ramen just to pay fast food workers $35 an hour while my money stays short then I'm sure we possibly can work something out
Ontheroad · M
@KingofBones1 I'm not sure who said they wanted to take your guns or interfere with how you live your life in your own home, and nobody is suggesting minimum wages should be $35 or that your taxes should pay for that.
Not with Donald Trump at the helm. He actively discourages it, because from his perspective a divided country is easier to control.

And I don’t see us coming close to being unified until he’s gone.

My late mother-in-law was born in Cuba. Her family was among those who fled to the U.S. when Castro came into power. She said there just seemed that there would be no compromise with him. That’s what I see if Trump gets back in the White House, no compromise. 🥺
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Ontheroad · M
@bijouxbroussard yeah, and so do his supporters in and out of government.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
Here's a though experiment.

Imagine that all of North America had remained (or become) a colony of Britain. Imagine that just as with India the Viceroy is someone like Mountbatten instructed to separate the colony from the mother country as quickly as possible.

In this time of division and strife would partition not seem like the solution the internal problems? This time instead of partitioning the country into a Muslim part and another for all the rest it would be divided into a conservative part and a progressive part.

For the slow of thinking: I'm not saying that it would work or that it did work in India, it's a starting point for conversation, discussion, and debate.
ffony · M
@Ontheroad: Thanks for recognizing that not everyone on here is US American (and despite that, may even have useful thoughts 😊)

Sadly I don't see much constructive response to your wish for a more united country. A united world would be better still. It's sad that so many replies seem to be mostly negative; explaining how 'the other side' wouldn't co-operate, etc. I don't think I see a single constructive suggestion

Are people just so happy practicing hostility, that the won't try something different?
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ffony · M
@BlueGreenGrey I think about this every day: It's probably the root of my habitual, cynical sarcasm; because my estimate of the percentage you request is vanishingly small.

" if the continued existence of humanity depends on it ... " - I'm in no doubt about that. In fact I think we passed the point of no return long ago.

And these are my excuses for failing to reduce my own lifestyle to the subsistence level I think would be appropriate. 🫤
ffony · M
@BlueGreenGrey I think of the unity and strength of purpose that existed when I was growing up in wartime Britain, and I wish vainly that the modern world would recognize and deal aggressively with the much greater danger we now all face.

In my view tinkering with energy strategies and carbon taxes is whistling in the wind.
justanothername · 51-55, M
Impossible to have any form of unity until Donny accepts that he was beaten far and square in the 2020 election.
If he can’t do that then there is no point having this discussion.
ABCDEF7 · M
What I understand is that, for unity, you need something in common. Some common thing or thought that everyone can relate to and feel identified with it. That everyone loves, respects, feels pride in. If you can not consider nationalism, nor the culture can be the factor, forget the other things like religion.

Then you have to think that common ground that can make feel everyone united in spite of being a diverse society in itself. I guess, this needs a thought.

I am not an American, I am Indian.
Magenta · F
No, but I can give you my realistic thoughts minus any rose colored glasses, but.... it is never going to happen. We are currently in the worst disunity than ever. We don't go back, behaviors, things humans do are typical a landslide.
Yup. Y'all ain't no communist country. You are individually working for the ownership. That's what you meant to do. Cuz you ain't no commies! You're a sacrifice.
blackarcher256 · 61-69, M
It’s meaning has become distorted…for both sides of the political divide, “unity” has come to mean “affirmation” of and “capitulation” to their viewpoint.
ffony · M
Most brilliant clarification of the week:
"The post is referring to what I'm talking about."
😵‍💫
tenente · 100+, M
american here. i'm not close enough to the issues in other countries to make any material suggestions on their challenges. as for how to improve life here in usa:

•adopt ranked-choice voting or open primaries to combat partisanship
•strengthen education about democratic processes, critical thinking skills and media literacy
•support local journalism for more balanced relevant content, reducing national media that emphasizes conflict
ffony · M
@tenente
•strengthen education about democratic processes, critical thinking skills and media literacy
👍 👌 👍🏾 👍🏾 (everywhere)
ffony · M
@ffony Now all we need is a way to make that happen ..... any practical suggestions? (Not, please, just USA-centric)
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Ontheroad · M
@BlueGreenGrey is it conservatives or is it a minority, but a loud and well-funded ultraright minority of conservatives? What about the ultra-left liberals? Could this not be said about them?

 
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