Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@ChristianDailyWord If you read the Bible you would know that the real Ten Commandments are found in Exodus 34:11-28. You have been brainwashed by silly Hollywood movies and ignorant preachers to believe the lie.
ChristianDailyWord · 26-30, M
@Diotrephes I respect your opinion. Be aware in mind though, that all of our Bibles are not the same. The majority read the KJV, some read the NWT, and I read the NLT. There are many different versions, some versions have taken things out or added in context so I cannot deny or agree on which one is the true one besides the one that was originally written in the language that most cannot translate or read which is Hebrew. When I make my posts, I try my best to stay neutral because there are so many different denominations of Christianity and we're all not on the same page when it comes to doctrines, traditions, customs, or context of timeframe. We all can't fully grasp the Word of God or in other words, fully understand the thinking of our Heavenly Father, no matter how many times we read up and down, back to front because we're all imperfect. However, we try our best to understand and get a picture of what He means or what He commands or expects of us. I do appreciate you, for sharing those scriptures, I'll gladly take a look into that, maybe I can expand my knowledge. I'm still young and learning, but I try to share what I've gathered from my perspective.
ChristianDailyWord · 26-30, M
@LordShadowfire
I respect and totally understand that you may know more in the knowledge of account of Job based on your perspective, being that you read the book of Job three times, however, I'm just answering your question from my perspective as well. Regarding your second statement, even if they weren't enemies in this specific book, the Bible indeed mentioned that Satan rebelled against God since Genesis so they became enemies of each other from the start even though God did not create this lovely angel of his to be so defiant and rebellious. Satan chose that course of action in his life as God did say that along with free will in us, he also has given to the angels too.
God is the Father of fairness, he allows for his opposers to rebuttal and responds back, whether or not he agrees or disagrees with their standpoint.
God described Job as a man who was "holding fast his integrity". (Job 2:3)
"Then the Sovereign Lord asked Satan,
Despite feeling discouraged and not understanding he suffered, Job never wavered on the vital issue of loyalty. Satan deliberately sought to give Job the impression it was God who caused his affliction. If that doesn't sound like someone who is an enemy of mine, I don't know what else to tell you.
Satan challenged the way God exercises his sovereignty. Is it really possible for God to rule the universe by love? Or, as Satan implied, will selfishness always triumph in the end? God indeed allowed the Devil to involve Job as a test case, confident in the integrity and loyalty of His servant which proved in the end that Satan is a liar though.
With that being said, this example of Job helps us to maintain our integrity under any circumstances - even in the face of temptations, opposition, or adversity. Jesus even gave us reassurance in (Revelation 2:10)
I know the book better than you do. And the thing that stands out for me is that God and Satan were not enemies in that book.
I respect and totally understand that you may know more in the knowledge of account of Job based on your perspective, being that you read the book of Job three times, however, I'm just answering your question from my perspective as well. Regarding your second statement, even if they weren't enemies in this specific book, the Bible indeed mentioned that Satan rebelled against God since Genesis so they became enemies of each other from the start even though God did not create this lovely angel of his to be so defiant and rebellious. Satan chose that course of action in his life as God did say that along with free will in us, he also has given to the angels too.
Because why would God allow his enemy to hang out in his throne room and chit-chat about various humans?
God is the Father of fairness, he allows for his opposers to rebuttal and responds back, whether or not he agrees or disagrees with their standpoint.
No, Satan did not oppose God. Satan was not angry with God. He didn't even do anything to Job without God's permission, because he was God's faithful servant.
God described Job as a man who was "holding fast his integrity". (Job 2:3)
"Then the Sovereign Lord asked Satan,
"Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man on all the earth. He is blameless, a man of complete integrity. He fears God and stays away from evil. And he has maintained his integrity, even though you urged me to harm him without cause."
Despite feeling discouraged and not understanding he suffered, Job never wavered on the vital issue of loyalty. Satan deliberately sought to give Job the impression it was God who caused his affliction. If that doesn't sound like someone who is an enemy of mine, I don't know what else to tell you.
Satan challenged the way God exercises his sovereignty. Is it really possible for God to rule the universe by love? Or, as Satan implied, will selfishness always triumph in the end? God indeed allowed the Devil to involve Job as a test case, confident in the integrity and loyalty of His servant which proved in the end that Satan is a liar though.
With that being said, this example of Job helps us to maintain our integrity under any circumstances - even in the face of temptations, opposition, or adversity. Jesus even gave us reassurance in (Revelation 2:10)
"Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of you into prison so that you may be fully put to the test, and that you may have tribulation [trouble, distress, or oppresion]. Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life."
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
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God is the Father of fairness, he allows for his opposers to rebuttal and responds back, whether or not he agrees or disagrees with their standpoint.
Thus proving my point. Satan did not approach God disrespectfully. He told him with respect for the royal office that he was wrong.
BlueSkyKing · M
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It’s unknown who wrote the Book of Job, but the author agrees with Job that God himself was guilty of the crime. In the final chapter of the book, the Lord rewarded Job’s “integrity,” restoring his health and wealth and giving him ten more children. (Job did not appear to grieve the death of his original children, only the loss of his belongings. The children were fungible commodities, replaceable property of the patriarch, disposable pawns in a deadly game.) It wasn’t just Job who knew that God was the evildoer. In the last paragraph, the writer tells us that friends and relatives came to comfort Job for the “evil” that the Lord had done to him.
Then there came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and they ate bread with him in his house; they showed him sympathy and comforted him for all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him. (Job 42:11)
It’s unknown who wrote the Book of Job, but the author agrees with Job that God himself was guilty of the crime. In the final chapter of the book, the Lord rewarded Job’s “integrity,” restoring his health and wealth and giving him ten more children. (Job did not appear to grieve the death of his original children, only the loss of his belongings. The children were fungible commodities, replaceable property of the patriarch, disposable pawns in a deadly game.) It wasn’t just Job who knew that God was the evildoer. In the last paragraph, the writer tells us that friends and relatives came to comfort Job for the “evil” that the Lord had done to him.
Then there came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and they ate bread with him in his house; they showed him sympathy and comforted him for all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him. (Job 42:11)
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@ChristianDailyWord The book of Job is an essay on the First Commandment, Exodus 34:11-16. Job was tested with many misfortunes to see if he would stay loyal and he did. Compare his situation with stories about Israel falling away and worshiping other gods such as in the story when Moses came down from the mountain and saw the people worshiping the golden calf that Aaron had built.
Compare and contrast the Noah and the Job stories. Job is focused on loyalty; Noah is focused on obedience. Job stayed loyal although he had reason to go down another path. Noah was given an impossible task that he had no clue as to how to get it done but he got busy and did it without whining. Noah is the only major biblical character that did such a thing. Even the Jesus character whined.
If you analyze the stories using the real Ten Commandments as a standard the stories will make more sense.
Compare and contrast the Noah and the Job stories. Job is focused on loyalty; Noah is focused on obedience. Job stayed loyal although he had reason to go down another path. Noah was given an impossible task that he had no clue as to how to get it done but he got busy and did it without whining. Noah is the only major biblical character that did such a thing. Even the Jesus character whined.
If you analyze the stories using the real Ten Commandments as a standard the stories will make more sense.
I don't know who wrote "I know the book better than you do. And the thing that stands out for me is that God and Satan were not enemies in that book.", but they sure don't know scripture. God and Satan were enemies, because Satan made it so. I guess they never read the part where there was a war in heaven that Satan caused. We need to take a stand for what God's Word says. It doesn't matter how many times someone reads the Book of Job, if they are not a believer, they are not learning from the Holy Spirit, and their conclusions show it, not knowing God's Word.
ChristianDailyWord · 26-30, M
@LordShadowfire But Satan never admitted that he was wrong, hence, why today, he is still influencing and causing destruction to humans, especially to those who are giving their exclusive devotion to God. If a child of yours questions your authority as a parent figure to them, more than oftentimes, it is not out of respect. Satan's motive and conduct tie into the reason he was kicked out of Heaven...because he rebelled. He aspired to be like God and he nurtured feelings of self-importance to the point that he coveted worship that belongs only to God. (Matthew 4:8, and 9) So, therefore, making himself a betrayer and enemy of God. His own, Father. As a result of his rebellion, he lured Adam and Eve into disobedience, which cause sin to rule over them, leading ultimately to their death and the death of future generations. His rebellion caused other faithful angels to turn their back on God and practice the opposite of God's Will. So for him to question his Father's authority was not something out of respect, it was to challenge and incite issues. Or as some people nowadays say, "He chose violence".
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@ChristianDailyWord Yeah, okay. A civilized debate in the throne room does not equate to him starting a revolution. It was an open discussion that led to a bet, which God took. That's the whole reason we're discussing this.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
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The God character is solely responsible for all of the evil and the Devil is just an innocent scapegoat. It is the God character who boasts about creating evil and having his evil angels kill people and cause all kinds of destruction.
But Satan never admitted that he was wrong, hence, why today, he is still influencing and causing destruction to humans, especially to those who are giving their exclusive devotion to God. If a child of yours questions your authority as a parent figure to them, more than oftentimes, it is not out of respect. Satan's motive and conduct tie into the reason he was kicked out of Heaven...because he rebelled. He aspired to be like God and he nurtured feelings of self-importance to the point that he coveted worship that belongs only to God. (Matthew 4:8, and 9) So, therefore, making himself a betrayer and enemy of God. His own, Father. As a result of his rebellion, he lured Adam and Eve into disobedience, which cause sin to rule over them, leading ultimately to their death and the death of future generations. His rebellion caused other faithful angels to turn their back on God and practice the opposite of God's Will. So for him to question his Father's authority was not something out of respect, it was to challenge and incite issues. Or as some people nowadays say, "He chose violence".
The God character is solely responsible for all of the evil and the Devil is just an innocent scapegoat. It is the God character who boasts about creating evil and having his evil angels kill people and cause all kinds of destruction.
ChristianDailyWord · 26-30, M
@Diotrephes If you say so and know so. No rebuttal from me. 🙂
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
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BlueSkyKing · M
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Here is the Book of Job in a nutshell:
God: “Job is a good man. I will torture him to see if he stays good.”
Job: “Why is God punishing me?”
Job’s friends: “It must be your own fault.”
Job: “I am undeserving, but it’s not my fault.”
Elihu: “God is greater than all of us.”
God: “Yes, I am greater than all of you.”
Job: “You are powerful. I’m sorry.”
God: “Correct answer. I’ll stop torturing you now.”
That’s it. There is no moral lesson in those forty-two chapters. No answer to suffering. No reasons, no redeeming social value to the graphic violence. The point of the book is simply: “The Lord is powerful. He can make you suffer. Don’t ask why. Be faithful. Might makes right. God can do whatever he wants.
Here is the Book of Job in a nutshell:
God: “Job is a good man. I will torture him to see if he stays good.”
Job: “Why is God punishing me?”
Job’s friends: “It must be your own fault.”
Job: “I am undeserving, but it’s not my fault.”
Elihu: “God is greater than all of us.”
God: “Yes, I am greater than all of you.”
Job: “You are powerful. I’m sorry.”
God: “Correct answer. I’ll stop torturing you now.”
That’s it. There is no moral lesson in those forty-two chapters. No answer to suffering. No reasons, no redeeming social value to the graphic violence. The point of the book is simply: “The Lord is powerful. He can make you suffer. Don’t ask why. Be faithful. Might makes right. God can do whatever he wants.
ChristianDailyWord · 26-30, M
@BlueSkyKing If that's how you see it, so be it. No arguments from me.
BlueSkyKing · M
@ChristianDailyWord Worst book in that book, but it’s mythology.