Unlike any of his time

@Adstar I mean it’s vastly more complicated than that. In terms of God there’s no past and present, in terms of Jesus, the man, there is. This created a cyclical event whereby sin was manifest and cleansed. Jesus held all of man’s sin. The fact that people do not understand that this was a spiritual experience and not a metaphorical one, is very strange to me.
So yes, Jesus is Yahweh the Old Testament god and the god of this earth. He is also one with the father (the divine). However the divine, is not Yahweh or jesus (at least in any way more than the divine is anyone).
This will either make sense to you or it won’t. I don’t mind if it doesn’t but I would ask that if it triggers you that you keep your feelings to yourself.
Thank you for reading though

@Vengabus Only Jesus is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit.. they are one.. The Son is the everlasting Father.. as revealed in Isaiah in the OT..

(Isaiah 9:6) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

@Adstar yes and no, he is in the way we all are. The father is the divine source of all things. All things come from, and “are”the father. To access the highest level of consciousness it requires not that you see, but that you are seen by the divine.

@jshm2 he used the law to demonstrate and he didn’t oppose the law, because the law belongs to the people. He didn’t come to create chaos but to show people what the divine is really like.
The Old Testament god is human ego given deity status and Jesus knew it.
But nobody would understand If he’d said that, and he would have been killed before he’d had the chance to teach anyone anything

@BritishFailedAesthetic what are you talking about?

@BritishFailedAesthetic heresy is to do with mankind and the church, not the divine.
Heresy: belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious doctrine.

Heresy is no concern when it comes to the divine because the law is not needed.

@BlueSkyKing no he didn’t

@Diotrephes The very same passage ends with him granting her request. And later in Matthew, he sends disciples to all nations

He is making a point about faith being the only thing that matters

@Vengabus
His interaction with the Samaritan woman shows that he was a lying hyocrite. He told his apostles to avoid Gentiles and Samaritans and he broke God's command. And remember, there were eleven nations of the Israelites scattered across the region, from Spain to India and from Africa to Greece and beyond. Those are the nations that are being referred to.

Matthew 19:28 (ERV) = "28 Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel."

Revelation 7:4-8 (ERV) = "4 Then I heard how many people had God’s mark on their foreheads. There were 144,000. They were from every tribe of the people of Israel:

5 from the tribe of Judah 12,000

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000

from the tribe of Gad 12,000

6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000

7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000

from the tribe of Levi 12,000

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000

8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000"

@Diotrephes “and he broke gods command”
You’re talking about the law again. I’ve addressed that already

And just for your interest, revelations is entirely symbolic, the numbers symbolise things like completion.
John was writing in such a way as to ensure Rome never got wind that he was criticising it.

@Ferise1 no you don’t literally have to but for a lot of people it helps them with humility. Overcoming the human ego is not an easy thing…or rather I should say, being able to see past it.

@Vengabus I go to an alpha group every second Sunday to grow our faith but it’s not really working

@Ferise1 what worked for me wasn’t following what other people wanted me to believe, and trying to believe and understand it the way they did. It was starting to learn to understand myself first, and research the answers to questions I had on my own in my own way. I would keep looking and learning until something clicked within me and I felt that some real, and then understanding had occurred. This understanding feels like undoing knots in your mind and emotions and it leaves you feeling lighter and freer.
It’s hard to describe as I’m trying to remember back over such a long time.
But I think though that when things are maybe not clicking with social spirituality like Christian groups, and so on…it worth it to try working on it on your own, whenever you have even a small amount of time. Eventually the research and learning and inner healing becomes kind of meditative.
Lots of religious groups approach God and divinity like something to be obeyed and feared and wrote learned from specific texts and nowhere else. But for lots of people this kind of restriction and code does nothing to raise their awareness and conscious level or bring them closer to the divine, or connect them with the source of all things…however you wish to put it.
The truth, I believe, is that spirituality is a very real and very valuable pursuit, that takes time, and often involves a lot of personal suffering due to the dissolution of the ego being a painful process, and is often confusing and comes with a whole lot of doubt, and is about real measurable change within a person. It is about creating a version of you that is vast and illuminated by the holy father, the divine, the source of all things…and so on
But I could go on forever

I’ll be here if you need me