How many Hopeful Redemptionists are here?

Poll - Total Votes: 3

Yes that sounds like a fair merciful God

Nope. Let innocent babies burn forever

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Way more beautiful gospel with the church fathers the first 500yrs believed that Love wins and everyone gets fixed and God destroys hell and everyone gets to be with God and get to heaven. Jesus dad doesn’t need firewood of tortured souls to warm his into eternity.

Can of worms opened ! Yay orthodoxy 😆😆😆

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saintsong · 41-45, F

I had noticed that all of my clocks around my house had stopped!!! From the wall clock, to the VCR to the microwave clock; like I was taken to another time and place! I sat down on my couch in a catatonic state all I could hear were screams of terror like hell!!! Then in an instant the God of Heaven and Earth gave me a vision of the Cross! It was accompanied by a loud cracking noise like rocks splitting!! CRACK!!! In that moment I was redeemed!!! In that moment the screams from hell were silenced!!! From that moment on I could smell the sweetest fragrant aroma perfume ever!!! Which took me 5 years to discover was the fragrance of LIFE! 2 Corinthians 2:14-15 For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing, 16 to one a fragrance from death to death, to the other a fragrance from life to life. Who is sufficient for these things? 17 For we are not, like so many, peddlers of God's word, but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ. Christ died to give me His LIFE!!!! I now speak life! Live life, pray life! I am so grateful that He blead and redeemed me, and gave me life, and turned my darkness into light and that His Heavenly Angels have reaped me!!! Now I hope others will in turn follow Christ like I did, and be saved!!! God is so so Good!!! A loving Father!!

SomeMichGuy · M

I'm not sure where you get that timeframe...Augustine believed people were predestined to Hell (as well as Heaven).

But I do believe in the ultimate salvation of all in the fullness of eternity.

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SomeMichGuy · M

@MrEverclearBlueSkies I think of Origen as the first Christian theologian to try to seriously wrestle with the reality of the notion of eternity (not some silly smocks-wings-halos-zithers-clouds nonsense). But he saw an endless cycle of falling away and coming back.

Gregory...if the Cappadocians had succeeded in figuring out an impersonal explanation for the Holy Spirit, we would likely have a very different pneumatology and thus a very different primary theology. Too bad the early Church didn't look at pneumatology first, before going after the Gordian knot of Christology.

Maximus...I'll have to look at his work.

It's been a while since I looked at the ANF and NPNF...

MrEverclearBlueSkies · M

@SomeMichGuy ahhhh if I have to my fall back belief is at Last Judgement if you still decide to reject Christ at this 2nd chance He mercifully annihilates you then....ECT is just a monster diety thing to do. Nice to hear of your scholarly reasoning

Been mostly influenced by works of David Bentley Hart "That all will be saved" and "Her Gates will never be shut" Bradley Jersak. cheers

SomeMichGuy · M

@MrEverclearBlueSkies I think that there is a strain of superiority in us which is a dark part of our self-absorbed / selfish nature, and it WANTS to see US vindicated and OTHERS hurting.

That is an eminently selfish and thoroughly UN-Christian response / desire, but many cults, and even some sects more mainstream, thrive on "WE have the only TRUE answer", etc., which really appeals to our unhealthy desire to "lord it over others". It is openly discussed by some "preachers" and was a big part of the QAnonsense.

When I keep trying to point out the primacy of JESUS' life for CHRISTIANS, I get people quoting the OT...they don't want to confront Jesus' Parable of the Good Samaritan, because of what it demands of us.

I truly believe that one of the most important tasks given to the Messiah was to try to de-fuck people's views of God's motives with respect to--and purposes for--us. There are strong currents of

• God is essentially chaotic and unpredictable

• God really like judging and torturing or unmaking/annihilating those who do not choose Him

and both of these are shown to be strongly counter to the Person, Character, Words, Actions, Life of the fully-anointed Being who (regardless of your Christology) emerges from His encounter with John the Baptist as The Christ chosen by The One Who Is.

Neoplatonism didn't help that... lol

FreddieUK · 70-79, M

This is far too simplistic a choice and very emotionally charged. You might get a debate going though.

LeopoldBloom · M

Rob Bell upset a lot of people with Love Wins when he said the Bible supports pist-mortem salvation and everyone is eventually saved.

MrEverclearBlueSkies · M

@LeopoldBloom I think that’s what Last judgement is about. Every eye will see Him, all of creation is raised back to life and Jesus says “here’s your chance again” and even better….since He will never leave or forsake …Ultimate Love is with you in Hell and keeps loving you until you give up and decide to love Him and return to Him ….would be annoying to have someone badger you with his love for eons till you return eventually right?

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