How many Hopeful Redemptionists are here?

@SomeMichGuy Origen Gregory of Nyssa Maximus the confessor....Augustine was first to oppose this. and yeah "Christ is all and in all " in fullness of eternity will be sweet!


https://learntheology.com/the-history-of-biblical-universalism.html#:~:text=This%20comprehensive%20examination%20reveals%20how%20universalism%2C%20grounded%20in,transformed%20it%20from%20mainstream%20theology%20into%20supposed%20heresy.

@MrEverclearBlueSkies I think of Origen as the first Christian theologian to try to seriously wrestle with the reality of the notion of eternity (not some silly smocks-wings-halos-zithers-clouds nonsense). But he saw an endless cycle of falling away and coming back.

Gregory...if the Cappadocians had succeeded in figuring out an impersonal explanation for the Holy Spirit, we would likely have a very different pneumatology and thus a very different primary theology. Too bad the early Church didn't look at pneumatology first, before going after the Gordian knot of Christology.

Maximus...I'll have to look at his work.

It's been a while since I looked at the ANF and NPNF...

@SomeMichGuy ahhhh if I have to my fall back belief is at Last Judgement if you still decide to reject Christ at this 2nd chance He mercifully annihilates you then....ECT is just a monster diety thing to do. Nice to hear of your scholarly reasoning

Been mostly influenced by works of David Bentley Hart "That all will be saved" and "Her Gates will never be shut" Bradley Jersak. cheers

@MrEverclearBlueSkies I think that there is a strain of superiority in us which is a dark part of our self-absorbed / selfish nature, and it WANTS to see US vindicated and OTHERS hurting.

That is an eminently selfish and thoroughly UN-Christian response / desire, but many cults, and even some sects more mainstream, thrive on "WE have the only TRUE answer", etc., which really appeals to our unhealthy desire to "lord it over others". It is openly discussed by some "preachers" and was a big part of the QAnonsense.

When I keep trying to point out the primacy of JESUS' life for CHRISTIANS, I get people quoting the OT...they don't want to confront Jesus' Parable of the Good Samaritan, because of what it demands of us.

I truly believe that one of the most important tasks given to the Messiah was to try to de-fuck people's views of God's motives with respect to--and purposes for--us. There are strong currents of

• God is essentially chaotic and unpredictable

• God really like judging and torturing or unmaking/annihilating those who do not choose Him

and both of these are shown to be strongly counter to the Person, Character, Words, Actions, Life of the fully-anointed Being who (regardless of your Christology) emerges from His encounter with John the Baptist as The Christ chosen by The One Who Is.

Neoplatonism didn't help that... lol