peterlee · M
God’s creation is good and reflects His glory. We give thanks for it, and enjoy it. See perhaps 1Cor 10,25-26; 1Tim 4.4-5).
But, evil has entered it, defeated at the Cross of Jesus, but still around. You need only look at the plight of those in the Gaza Strip. Those who are terminal ill. Or consumerism.
It will be transformed at Our Lord’s return. ( Read 1John I with a good commentary perhaps: Tom Wright, especially 1John 2.15 -29).
The theological writers and editors of Genesis grapple with this after the return of the people after their exile from Babylon.
More ancient reflections on creation can be found in the Psalms.
I find it is better to look at creation through the lens of the writers of The New Testament, after the resurrection of God’s Son, our Saviour.
But, evil has entered it, defeated at the Cross of Jesus, but still around. You need only look at the plight of those in the Gaza Strip. Those who are terminal ill. Or consumerism.
It will be transformed at Our Lord’s return. ( Read 1John I with a good commentary perhaps: Tom Wright, especially 1John 2.15 -29).
The theological writers and editors of Genesis grapple with this after the return of the people after their exile from Babylon.
More ancient reflections on creation can be found in the Psalms.
I find it is better to look at creation through the lens of the writers of The New Testament, after the resurrection of God’s Son, our Saviour.
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Pikachu ·
@peterlee
Nope, that's not the issue here. We're not talking about the fall of the created, we're talking about whether or not the act of creation was done by an infallible being.
So why do you think according to Genesis 1 God created man and saw that it was very good but according to Genesis 2 God created Adam and saw that it was NOT good that Adam should be alone, try to give him companionship via animals, see that, THAT was no good and then finally make woman?
The Genesis passages neatly give us an understanding that Creation is good, but there has been a fall.
Nope, that's not the issue here. We're not talking about the fall of the created, we're talking about whether or not the act of creation was done by an infallible being.
So why do you think according to Genesis 1 God created man and saw that it was very good but according to Genesis 2 God created Adam and saw that it was NOT good that Adam should be alone, try to give him companionship via animals, see that, THAT was no good and then finally make woman?
peterlee · M
Nice to see you reading your Bible. You get a good understanding of God’s creation by meditating on the Psalms.
Charity · 61-69
That is no contradiction.
God's creations were good - creations creations creations - simplifying, what he made.
Adam being alone has nothing to do with performing of Adam or any other of God's creations
There is a mountain and there is a molehill.
God's creations were good - creations creations creations - simplifying, what he made.
Adam being alone has nothing to do with performing of Adam or any other of God's creations
There is a mountain and there is a molehill.
Pikachu ·
@Charity
According to Genesis 1, yes.
But in Genesis 2 it says he created animals after Adam and then brought each to him but Adam could not find a companion among them.
It's right there in the text.
I use the NLV but the KJV says the same thing:
And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
That's Genesis 2 again saying that Adam was alone and that was not good so God sent animals to be companions but they were not sufficient and THEN he made Eve.
So you're really just highlighting an additional contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2 which i wasn't even talking about regarding the order of creation and without addressing my initial criticism regarding the contradiction on the infallibility of God between the two chapters.
I hope you have a nice day as well but you can't keep saying goodbye and then making another comment lol
God created the animals ""before"" he created man
According to Genesis 1, yes.
But in Genesis 2 it says he created animals after Adam and then brought each to him but Adam could not find a companion among them.
It's right there in the text.
I use the NLV but the KJV says the same thing:
And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
That's Genesis 2 again saying that Adam was alone and that was not good so God sent animals to be companions but they were not sufficient and THEN he made Eve.
So you're really just highlighting an additional contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2 which i wasn't even talking about regarding the order of creation and without addressing my initial criticism regarding the contradiction on the infallibility of God between the two chapters.
I hope you have a nice day as well but you can't keep saying goodbye and then making another comment lol
Charity · 61-69
@Pikachu
Genesis 2:18-20 King James Version and the Lord said it is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fall of the air; and brought them unto Adam ""to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.""
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fall of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found and help me for him.
Non-christians I have spoken to refuses to see Genesis 2 as a narration of Genesis 1. They continually want to make it two separate events, it's their right to choose what they believe or disbelief.
And it seems that none believing people have a tendency to think that people who were just learning to write and read would do so in the manner that people of today would do. People of today consider themselves educated and organized in the craft of authorship / literature. 6 to 10,000 years ago people wrote it as it came to mind, broken ways they felt the people would understand wrote in ways they felt with praise God and being inspired by God to write it doesn't mean they wrote it immediately.
100 years ago most people couldn't read or write, and definitely didn't form literature in the way people of the 20th century ground works. They didn't write in chronological order / literal, but often and none chronological and non literal order.
https://www.weforum.org/stories/2022/09/reading-writing-global-literacy-rate-changed/#:~:text=In%201900%2C%20it%20still%20barely,strong%20regional%20inequalities%20remain%2C%20however
https://thejohnfox.com/2021/10/how-to-write-a-non-chronological-plot/
Ever read Plato, Nostradamus, Homer, Dickens?
https://fiveable.me/literature-in-english-the-mid-19th-through-the-mid-20th-century/unit-6
https://fiveable.me/key-terms/american-literature-since-1860/non-chronological-narratives
As I said you have your right to think believe as you do. If you think that's what I'm doing continue to think so.
Good by until I run into you on another post.
Genesis 2:18-20 King James Version and the Lord said it is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fall of the air; and brought them unto Adam ""to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.""
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fall of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found and help me for him.
Non-christians I have spoken to refuses to see Genesis 2 as a narration of Genesis 1. They continually want to make it two separate events, it's their right to choose what they believe or disbelief.
And it seems that none believing people have a tendency to think that people who were just learning to write and read would do so in the manner that people of today would do. People of today consider themselves educated and organized in the craft of authorship / literature. 6 to 10,000 years ago people wrote it as it came to mind, broken ways they felt the people would understand wrote in ways they felt with praise God and being inspired by God to write it doesn't mean they wrote it immediately.
100 years ago most people couldn't read or write, and definitely didn't form literature in the way people of the 20th century ground works. They didn't write in chronological order / literal, but often and none chronological and non literal order.
https://www.weforum.org/stories/2022/09/reading-writing-global-literacy-rate-changed/#:~:text=In%201900%2C%20it%20still%20barely,strong%20regional%20inequalities%20remain%2C%20however
https://thejohnfox.com/2021/10/how-to-write-a-non-chronological-plot/
Ever read Plato, Nostradamus, Homer, Dickens?
https://fiveable.me/literature-in-english-the-mid-19th-through-the-mid-20th-century/unit-6
https://fiveable.me/key-terms/american-literature-since-1860/non-chronological-narratives
As I said you have your right to think believe as you do. If you think that's what I'm doing continue to think so.
Good by until I run into you on another post.
Pikachu ·
@Charity
And indeed you have the right to negotiate with the text in order to preserve your belief...but i don't think you've made a compelling argument.
I invite you to watch a short video by a biblical scholar on the subject. You might find it interesting
Catch you later✌
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And indeed you have the right to negotiate with the text in order to preserve your belief...but i don't think you've made a compelling argument.
I invite you to watch a short video by a biblical scholar on the subject. You might find it interesting
Catch you later✌
[media=https://youtu.be/U8qKDD4CxUs]
PIKACHU!!! I havnt seen you in forever
Pikachu ·
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Who says there are no contradictions in The Bible? It's full of them, plus questionable translations, edits, etc.
Pikachu ·
1490wayb · 56-60, M
i suggest learning exactly what the original language says...hebrew language??
Pikachu ·
@1490wayb
Yup, that's where the contradiction becomes clearest.
Later translations often attempt to massage the phrasing to smooth out certain contradictions like the diffing order of creations between Genesis 1 and 2.
You can watch a short video on this subject if you're interested. He points out a couple more big contradictions in the nature of God.
[media=https://youtu.be/U8qKDD4CxUs]
Yup, that's where the contradiction becomes clearest.
Later translations often attempt to massage the phrasing to smooth out certain contradictions like the diffing order of creations between Genesis 1 and 2.
You can watch a short video on this subject if you're interested. He points out a couple more big contradictions in the nature of God.
[media=https://youtu.be/U8qKDD4CxUs]
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@1490wayb it is not even that simple. You have some Hebrew, the spoken language of Jesus and the apostles was Aramaic, and the new testament was written in Greek.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
Claims there are no contradictions come from laymen who in most cases were told what it says and don't read it.
Pikachu ·
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Often the case, i think.
Although there are many apologists who try to negotiate with the bible to iron out apparent contradictions.
Often the case, i think.
Although there are many apologists who try to negotiate with the bible to iron out apparent contradictions.