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Is Christianity Fact or Fiction

I like to provoke thought that is why I am asking this question Is Christianity Fact or Fiction.
The main reason that we would say that it is fact is when we read the bible it tells of the historical side to Judaism and Christianity, when we read the new testament which teaches that Jesus Christ the son of God came and died on the cross for our sins. Is this a good enough reason to believe? We are told that Adam and Eve were confronted by Satan in the garden of Eden and they ate from the forbidden tree in the garden and therefore sin entered the world, after all we see a very fallen world around us today.
On the other hand The main reason that we would say fiction is could the bible be just a book that someone has written to get us to conform and to discipline our lives. Maybe there is no God or Jesus, no Heaven or Hell.
I would like to hear what folks have to say on the subject, I have a belief if anyone wishes to guess which belief I have feel free to say.
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SW-User
I think that it is time for me to give my honest view, no one has guessed what my view is on the subject.
What worries me looking at a lot of the comments is the lack of spiritual knowledge and the wave of aitheism that exists.
From what i now have said you will realise that i believe that Christianity is fact, yes the bible is the true and living word of God and Jesus is the manifestation of God the father.
I just hope that people will turn to their bibles and i pray that many will get enlightenment from reading from it.
I am not on here for a fight, i just hope that my post will give people the desire to think about their spritual destiny.
Carazaa · F
There is lots of proof that the Bible is inspired by God.

1. One way we know is all the prophesies have come true! Especially written thousands of years ago about the Jews . God said he would scatter them if they stopped worship him, and they were scattered all over the world, and people would persecute and kill them (Hitler). And God said thousands of years ago that he would bring them back, and he did (1948). Jesus, the creator of the universe, said in St. Matthew 24, Luke 1, and in The book of Revelation that the world would be in tribulation like never before when he comes ( we see this now) increase knowledge, travel, cold hearts and falling away from faith, increase great earthquakes, the sea roaring, and the sun burning up the earth, animals and fish dying, and any time now when "Jerusalem is surrounded by armies" then Jesus will come and judge the living and the dead, and make a new heaven and a new earth as he said.

2. Another reason is looking at the countries in Europe with protestant kings and leaders have all prospered the most of all nations the last 1000 years. The vikings in Scandinavia all turned to Christ and the countries turned peaceful. No corruption, fear, or unhappiness, but prosperity. Christian families prosper; they are happier than Roman Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or atheist families. They forgive each other, and the wives are treated loving and equal.

3. Another reason we know that the Bible is true is that the true followers of Jesus are loving and they will give account what God has done for them, miracles. (I have a pinned miracle post on my profile) And when Jesus saves us we are changed. The Holy Spirit comes into our hearts and we become loving! This doesn't mean that our lives are easy, no. But God helps us through each storm and if we are faithful he takes very good care of us!

"Follow this book of the law and meditate on it day and night, then you will be prosperous and successful." Joshua 1:8

"Test me in this , says the Lord, give me your first tithe and see if I will not pour down a blessing from heaven and your barns will overflow"
I have tested God in this and he is good with his promises. He does not dissapoint if we put him first.

There are many You-Tubes how Muslim wives share how different their husbands were after they became Christians. God saves people all over the world regardless of their religion, and people can attest they are different. How does he save? He draws a person towards himself, towards truth, and then he puts his Holy Spirit in their hearts. Then they want to serve Jesus and testify to others. Christianity is the biggest religion, and it is going into N. Korea China and to tribes right now.

God says
"This Gospel will go out to every nation, tongue, and tribe then the end."

Jesus is coming back this generation so be ready to meet your maker. I hope I will see you in the sky! 🙂
I don’t believe in the magic man in the sky.
Organized religion in every form has but a single purpose, to control the masses for the benefit of the elites.
Why else would suicide be a mortal sin!
It’s about keeping the slaves in line and giving the hopeless something to live for.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@OnestarlitnightYou said: "I don’t believe in the magic man in the sky."

Organized government control the masses for the benefit of the elites also.
SW-User
The parables are fiction, we could say, and the bible is quite different than the regular believer supposes, the making up of the components seems pretty human. I also find the rampant dislike of Christianity suspect, besides the things like bad priests and money centered fellas and gals, it seems there is a special bias against or for it. A neutral mind would be better at disarming the effect it has for good and ill. The lukewarm (neutral) being perhaps what many a churchgoer is, whom evidently from one of the letters in Revelation makes Jesus wanna hurl.
SW-User
@SW-User The Living God goes far beyond all.our concepts, beliefs and theologies. We can set no parameters.

Reality, history, shows us that the fruits of the spirit ( as spoken of in Galations ) are to be found in people of all Faiths and even people of none.

There is the crucifixion of time and space and there is Lamb who was "slain before the foundation of the World."

There is a need to realise the realitiesof Grace. Grace, the nature of God, the Love of God, is the causal basis of salvation. Not our beliefs or decisions of time and space.

The spirit blows where it will.
JSul3 · 70-79
@SW-User I would say to simply ask any Jew if they believe and have a relationship with God....ask any Muslim if they have a relationship with Allah...etc.
Their faith in a God is likely as strong as yours, if not more so.
SW-User
@JSul3 Yes, you are right. I was once at a funeral service conducted in a strict Baptist Chapel. The guy up front took his chance to preach the "gospel" (I say "gospel" but that means "good news", which is the complete opposite to the stuff these guys preach!) Anyway, whatever, during his spiel he said explicitly that those who did not share his theology "could not call God their Father."

Just how sickening can it get?

(But we all had the last laugh. As he drew his waffle to a close by saying "I must end now" someone whispered along the pews:- " Thank God for that!")

😀
Richard65 · M
Christian fundamentalists literally believe everything in the Bible. They believe Noah reached 900 years old and had an ark full of animals. They believe Adam and Eve were real and were tempted by Satan who took the form of a snake. It's too ludicrous to even contemplate those as facts. The Bible, if it's anything, is a book of metaphors designed to explain a complicated world to illiterate people. It's pure fiction.

Real Christians know they cannot go looking for factual evidence of God, because their religion relies on faith, it's the very bedrock of Christianity. Faith is defined as 'belief without evidence' and Jesus advised his followers to have faith. The minute you look and find evidence, then you have no need of faith and your religion is rendered worthless. The entire basis of Christianity relies on you reading the Bible and simply believing it without question.
SW-User
I notice you live in the UK. A lot of churches offer an Alpha course from time to time. Joining one of these may help you on your journey. Nicky Gumbel’s books themselves are very good. I would suggest you read his ‘Questions of Life’ .

Perhaps read one of the Gospels slowly. Mark is a good way to start.

Some verses in the Bible stand alone and challenge you directly. As did Revelations 3.20 me.


Essentially Christians believe that Jesus is Lord, and God raised him from the dead. (Romans 10.9-11.)

You seem to have excluded prayer from your thinking. Christians do a lot of that. Both on their own and in groups.

You don’t incidentally have to be an American fundamentalist to be a Christian.
4meAndyou · F
The Bible is a very complex book. The Torah, or Old Testament, is a book of history. It records the origin stories of the Tribes of Israel. It records the words of their Kings, and their holy men, and their Prophets.

After Jesus Christ was born and baptized, he began to preach that God was not just the stern strict God of the Old Testament, unable to forgive sinners, but was a God who loved all of the people of the world, Jews and Gentiles alike, and that on the Day of Judgement God WANTED to forgive his children, if only they would repent. (I'm paraphrasing the bulk of what He said).

These words were carefully recorded by the Apostles, just as the Old Testament had been recorded.

But they were not recorded until AD 78 or 79.

Jesus Christ himself was not considered to be God until He was so declared by Emperor of Rome, Constantine, in the year 325 A.D. That was when the civilized world accepted the Godhood of Jesus Christ. The Apostle John mentions the Godhood of Jesus, in the New Testament.

Faith is the firm belief in something we cannot see because we FEEL that it is there, feel it deeply.

All of your questions can be answered by Faith.
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SW-User
Reasonable and rational people recognise any religion and its scriptures as mythopoetic.

Taking them literally is not even the way of understanding them that is of the past. Read those such as Karen Armstrong to see the truth of this. The idea of some that taking them literally has always been the norm up until our modern times is an unfounded assertion, born of ignorance. It is literalism that is the modernism, born of the Protestant Reformation, the printing press and mass literacy - all of which has turned the Living Word into the dead letter of the Law.

In this sense Christianity can become "fact" - as any other religion can become fact.
SW-User
@SW-User I'm not getting into an argument.

As I said, We need not relate it to any particular revelation.

That is the end of it. I have had enough of "one wayers".

Thanks
SW-User
@SW-User Yes, I agree. I rarely share my faith. This sort of forum is not for me. I’ll stick to my poetry, painting and love of music and the countryside.
SW-User
@SW-User Enjoy.

All the best
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
Sadly you have to believe before it makes sense and for many unless it makes sense they can not believe. I'm a believer because it makes perfect sense and lines up exactly with my experiences.
Sidewinder · 36-40, M
I'm pretty skeptical about that.

I'm the type who'll either believe something until it's been disproved, or not believe something until there's proof.
SW-User
@Sidewinder If there was what you call "proof", you wouldn't need to believe it.
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Carazaa · F
@OldMan70 I like your profile picture so funny 😂
There are surviving Roman documents written by the ancient Roman historian Tacitus mentioning Christ and his execution by Pontius Pilate. Of course that doesn't establish divinity, but it is independent confirmation of Jesus Christ as a real person in recorded history.

Wikipedia sez:
There are two interesting points of vocabulary in the passage. First, Tacitus may have used the word "Chrestians" (Chrestianos) for Christians, but then speaks of "Christ" (Christus) as the origin of that name. Second, he calls Pilate a "procurator", even though other sources indicate that he had the title "prefect". Scholars have proposed various hypotheses to explain these peculiarities.

The scholarly consensus is that Tacitus's reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate is both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] However, Tacitus does not reveal the source of his information. There are several hypotheses as to what sources he may have used.
walabby · M
@ElwoodBlues Tacitus wrote about Christians in "Annals", around the year 115AD. Someone named Yeshua was undoubtedly executed for sedition by Rome in the preceding century. Tacitus wrote about this some 80 years after the presumed event.
@walabby Yes, I'm not claiming Tacitus was a firsthand source. Tacitus wrote about it roughly 80 years after, and Tacitus wrote that Yeshua was executed by Pontius Pilate. The pair of names gives it much more validity. Many Romans were great writers and documentors. so it's likely Tacitus based Annals on sources available in 110AD that have since disappeared.

Pliny the Younger wrote about "Christians" in a letter from around 112AD.

Wikipedia sez:
Pliny states that he gives Christians multiple chances to affirm they are innocent and if they refuse three times, they are executed. Pliny states that his investigations have revealed nothing on the Christians' part but harmless practices and "depraved, excessive superstition." However, Pliny seems concerned about the rapid spread of their practices and views Christian gatherings as a potential starting point for sedition
walabby · M
@ElwoodBlues It's interesting that there are no non Jewish references to Jesus or Christianity in the first century.
Alyosha · 31-35, M
kodiac · 22-25, M
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Eternallight · 26-30, M
The original Christianity was a powerful political tool in the face of Roman oppression.

Back then it empowered the poor and powerless and encouraged them to take power out of the Roman's hands and into their own by way of the power of social union and COMMUNITY where each helped the other Christian brother out.

Today it is a toothless tradition with its followers castrated and arguing amongst themselves about the true interpretion as they await the return of a messiah. Dream on.

What was at one time the Empire's biggest nightmare became the very tool of oppression.
JovialMoose · 51-55, M
God cannot be a fact. Plain and simple. It will always be a question of faith until a new prophet (or proof) emerges.

There's nothing wrong with faith...
walabby · M
The existence of Christianity is a fact. The reasons for its existence are somewhat less clear...
walabby · M
@JSul3 Yes. That is a fact.
JSul3 · 70-79
@walabby Nice picture of actor Richard Gere.

After studying Zen for five or six years, he and Brazilian painter Sylvia Martins traveled in 1978 to Nepal, where he met many Tibetan monks and lamas. He then met the 14th Dalai Lama in India and became a practicing Tibetan Buddhist (specifically of the Gelugpa school) and an active supporter of the Dalai Lama. (from Wikipedia)
walabby · M
@JSul3 Yes. I hope that he doesn't mind me borrowing it. I always thought that he was a pretty good dude...
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Renaci · 36-40
10,000 years of claiming they have all this evidence yet can never hold up when scrutinized.

I'm going with its all lies perpetuated by ancient dictators. It has all the hallmarks of fascism. The fall from perfection at the hands of an all powerful, amorphic "other" that threatens utopia. A mythological golden age that never happened. The religious overtones. The populist Messiah that will bring about utopia and the elimination of the "other". The totalitarian god dictator who is flawless despite its endorsement of genocide, slavery and pedophilia.

The Abrahamic religions are all ancient fascist governments.
SW-User
@Onestarlitnight Why is it called ‘Christianity ‘ then?

If the forum was called ‘Quantum Mechanics I would expect to find some discussion of Modern Physics.
@SW-User
The site is called similar worlds Einstein!
The group name is Christianity and until you actually go to answer the question you don’t even know what topic it’s posted under.
SW-User
@Onestarlitnight Forgive my ignorance
Musicman · 61-69, M
Christianity is real.
Religion is a social construct designed to control the masses.

 
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