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If god's creation was perfect, how did humanity fall? Why was there another being tempting them to disobey?

Surely a perfect creation wouldn't attempt to persuade humans to disobey god.
Surely a perfect creation wouldn't, in the face for such persuasion, decide to disobey god.

I think the easy answer is "Free will! Free will!" but a perfect creation acting under its own free will would understand the correct course and take it.
Only a flawed creation could do otherwise.

So...was god's creation perfect? If so, how?
ArishMell · 70-79, M
The deeper ancestor of Christianity, via the ancient Hebrew culture, was Zoroastrianism, once a major but now very small religion. That did not invent Satan as we might see that character now; but it had two gods, one of good, the other of bad, in a sort of divine balance.

So the later attempts to explain this imperfection by being the work of some parallel entity of evil warping human behaviour, might be a (deliberately?) distorted version of the original.

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Zoroastrianism originated in Persia. That is now Iran, which does still respect the old faith constitutionally; if only because the Iranians are very proud of much of their Persian ancestry.
G0ddess · F
Bc earth is a lower realm and even as his perfect creation humans need to rise above duality to become one with God
@G0ddess The fruit of the knowledge of good an evil implies the split of the yin and the yang. Non-dualism is the true nature of humanity that we fell from imo.
walabby · 61-69, M
What if the whole concept of God and Satan, Heaven and Hell, sin and praising God for eternity, is wrong? What if the reason for human existence, for the whole universe, is something else?
@walabby I don't think existence has a purpose or meaning,
and I don't think it needs one.
People often need purpose or meaning because it helps them stay motivated to endure all kinds of difficulties. Most of us are able to create our own.
I lost mine a few months ago, and have discovered it doesn't matter. I find I'm now perfectly content just to live and do what's necessary to stay as healthy and happy as possible.
I notice it has a ripple effect. When one is (genuinely) happy it has a good effect on others.
walabby · 61-69, M
@hartfire Could well be! The reason for human existence could be... no reason!
@walabby As I see it, each individual cell of our bodies has its own automatic will to live, just as single-celled organisms like amoebae do. They can sense toxins and move to evade or nutrients and move to engulf.
When single-cells cluster together they start to cooperate, the ones on the outside helping to collect air and food and pass it through for metabolism, and excrete wastes. The greater the cluster of cells, the more some cells specialise - each larger cluster showing greater collective specialisation and intelligence than the previous version. Each succeeding and proliferating with greater success - the whole always greater than the sum of the parts.

It's hard for us humans to tell whether this will to survive and procreate is an aspect of some primitively developing sense of consciousness like our own sympathetic nervous system, or whether it is merely the automatic result of chemical reactions and physical processes like osmosis - or a combination of the two.

Maybe, one day, we will learn exactly what consciousness is. Could it be a property of every atom? One so nanoscopic that we cannot perceive or measure it at that order of magnitude? One that we can only perceive once it clusters together to produce what we experience as awareness?

If any of this is so, then we have an explanation which needs no reason. It becomes an inevitable result of countless trillions of collisions between atoms, molecules and proteins floating in a seemingly infinite sea of the right components in the right environment - and, given the size of the universe, this too is inevitable in countless places, albeit so far apart in the universe that we could never reach other places where life thrives.

Based on the tidbits of science we've gleaned thus far, I think this hypothesis as plausible.
That old Genesis story is so logically flawed that none of it is possible.
But it is a great story about a "god" with the personality and emotional intelligence of an impulsive, temper-tantrum-throwing and undisciplined two-year-old; a story designed to turn tribes into mobs of sheep who will obey their shepards (patriarchs/religious leaders).
It's a story of social evolution for Aramaic nomads.
SW-User
The "O Felix Culpa" of the Eastern Orthodox Church (and Catholic Church) speaks of a "necessary" fall, and suggests that it was more as the plan of God rather than a rebellion by human beings.

We are dealing with myth, not historical fact.

Fundamentalist Protestants should not have the final word, nor dictate the so called "truth" of anything.
Vin53 · M
Perfection.
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
Hey Pikachu, I have the same ideas and wonders.

And I think kinda think this

What if God, The Lord, Satan and all the rest was all made up by man to keep other man in fear and in control.
SW-User
God is gay.
Vin53 · M
@SW-User The world is a vampire.
@Vin53 And despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage.
Renaci · 36-40
A savior god needs something to save. So breaking the world was a feature not a bug. He could later step in and save people from himself. Like any self respecting narcissist would do.
It really is a literal view of this meme:

It's almost like God was incapable of creating something perfect and incorruptible.

 
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