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The ultimate penalty for sinners is to spend eternity in Hell. Many struggle with wrapping their mind around the concept of Hell. But let me say this,

God is love. Wouldn't you say that the love of God passes all understanding? Ephesians 3:17-19 says, "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."

God's wrath is the same way, It passes all understanding. No one has love like God has. God is the ultimate in love and He is also the ultimate in vengeance. True love must also hate evil and sin, otherwise it is a fake love. Romans 12:9 says, "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good."

So, if you can't grasp or fully wrap your mind around the love of God because it passes all understanding, if you can't fully relate to the love of God or if you can't come close to having that kind of love in your heart, why would you expect to understand or have the level of vengance in your heart that God has in His heart. The foolish atheist would say, "Well, I wouldn't send all of those people to Hell." Yeah, but you wouldn't die on the cross for people either! You wouldn't go to Hell for anyone either. But yet Jesus Christ died on the cross for us, He took the upon Himself the sins of the world and took the whole brunt of the wrath God the father poured out on the Son and He went to Hell for 3 days and 3 nights. That is an amount of love that I can't comprehend because I don't love anyone to that level, and if you are honest, you would say the same thing.

If we can't grasp the love of God, why would we think that we can grasp the wrath of God. God's wrath is also on this other level that we can't process. God is so far beyond us on His love and His justice. Vengeance is not necessarily a bad thing because it stems from God's righteousness. So, if you try to process Hell and the wrath of God just like you struggle to process the love of God, because you would find it hard to believe that God has forgiven someone like Jeffrey Dahmer and that Jeffrey Dahmer is in Heaven right now because He ended up believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and getting saved.

Please realize and accept that Number 1. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23

2. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

3. "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

and do as Acts 16:30-31 says, "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

The pure Gospel of Romans 3:24-26 - "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 says, "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

Once you believe on the only one who defeated death and hell and rose from the dead - The Lord Jesus Christ - put all of your trust in Him and what He did for you on the cross to get you into Heaven, the death, the burial and the resurrection, then you are saved in that very moment and will be going to Heaven, a place of unfathomable beauty, peace and joy.

Revelation 21:1-5 - And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 21:21-25 - And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

John 14:2 - In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

2 Peter 3:13 - Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 22:1-5 - And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Emosaur · 22-25, M
[quote]God's wrath[/quote]

• Your god is defined as perfect and sinless

• You're also defining him as wrathful

• Wrath is a sin

• Therefore, you're defining your god as both sinless and a sinner, which is a contradiction

• Contradictory things and beings cannot logically exist

• Therefore, you just admitted your god doesn't exist
Johnconnor · 31-35, M
@Pikachu There is a proverb which says "What you look around in the world around you is a reflection of yours",

I find everyone meaningful, even your slave. Likewise, you find everyone talking meaninglessly, let it be your subject Emu. 👍

[quote]you find everyone talking meaninglessly[/quote]

lol aww buddy...if that's the point you've taken then you haven't been paying attention.
You're invited (since that is important to you) to hit me up in one of my threads and show me you can argue the point and not the person.

[i]Your homework:[/i] Stop putting so much effort (BARK BARK BARK) into trying to[i] win[/i] a conversation and just [i]have[/i] a conversation.✌️👋
Johnconnor · 31-35, M
@Pikachu I don't come here to win or lose like you because I do that on the ground. I am not a keyboard warrior like you or your servant @Emosaur. I come here to read the posts, if I like, I comment.

[b]Your using of the word "Bark" shows the level of education your parents have provided you and your moral values too. I don't know why you are not ashamed of yourself because I am ashamed of myself even replying you. Get a life, keyboard warrior. [/b]
DocSavage · M
Seems pretty unfair. Life is finite, does it seem reasonable to punish a person for endless time ?
A merciful god would give them a second chance after a few centuries at least.

lol mmm deflection noted.
Becoming aggressive in the face of frustration is a big red flag. Hope this helps😉
DocSavage · M
Be honest, doesn’t an eternity in Hell seem unnecessarily cruel ? With out any chance of redemption. Never ending pain and suffering.
Not even we humans are that heartless.
Our lust for justice and revenge may go beyond the grave, but with a few extreme exceptions, do you know anyone personally that deserves such a fate ? But even the absolute worse can get mercy by brown nosing Jesus ?
How else can you translate the interpretation ?
DocSavage · M
What sin ? Some of the theist here claim were still being judged for Adam’s screw up.. others because we started to stop playing by god’s impossibly strict rules. And choose a different path.
Adam and Eve never existed. They never fell from grace, and the human race doesn’t need a redeemer. It’s a fairytale. Humans are not sinners either. We’re far from perfect, but the general population isn’t blood thirsty savages either. If god gave us free will, then all he can do is sit back and watch. Because he can’t have it both ways.
Jackson711247 · 36-40, M
When that day comes every knee shall bow.
SnailTeeth · 36-40
Yea, well my God can beat up your God, so you better stop threatening people with Hell.
Sharon · F
@SnailTeeth What more proof of Our Lord, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, can one ask?
SnailTeeth · 36-40
@Sharon Ramen. 🙏
Sharon · F
@SnailTeeth r'Amen, Brother.
If Gd wants everyone to be saved, and souls in hell are incapable of salvation, then hell is stronger than God. Or, you’re a Calvinist who believes that God created some souls for hell. Pick one or the other.
@Falakata It’s literally what you said.
Falakata · F
@LeopoldBloom no, that’s what [big]you[/big] said and decided to believe
Falakata · F
@LeopoldBloom you may have a fancy man as your pfp but your reasoning skills are not fancy
@Pikachu yup it’s exactly how OP and I are in private 🫢
redredred · M
Clearly you’re a quantity over quality kind of guy.
Blah, blah, blah.

There are some mistakes in your thinking. If the wages of sin are death then hell is unjust. A fake, evil sinful lie. Because, as Romans 6:7 says, those who have died are acquitted from sin.

Jesus didn't die on a cross. A cross (as we know it) is a Roman phallic symbol. A symbol of the male genitalia, of fertility as used by pagans thousands of years before Christ. In fact it was the dungy idol the genitalia God said was shoved in his face in Ezekiel 8. It was only adopted by apostate Christians 400 years after Christ when the Roman chief of pagan religion Constantine paid off corrupt priests for political reasons. Thus corrupting Christianity forever as the Apostle Paul foretold.
Infinecho · 31-35, F
Wrapping your mind around Hell, is realizing that WE are already there. Whoever loves this existence is highly medicated and or ignorant enough to believe the saint lacks sin. This book was not written for human consumption.
Sharon · F
@Infinecho Hell is quite a nice place actually -

It gets a bit chilly in winter though -
Ceinwyn · 22-25, F
There is no hell.
Ceinwyn · 22-25, F
@Johnconnor If there’s a Hebrew hell why would a non Hebrew such as me end up there?
Johnconnor · 31-35, M
@Ceinwyn Just wait and watch. You won't
Ceinwyn · 22-25, F
@Johnconnor I know I won’t go there. Something else waits for me.
Johnconnor · 31-35, M
A very nice post. Thank you for posting.
@Johnconnor Are you a flat earther too?

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