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God created the uninverse.

By God I mean "the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

And by universe I mean the composite collection of parts and bits creaded by God, of which humans are one such parts and bits, and thus humans are evidence to the existence of God.


Okay, I will start saying that there has always been existence instead of non-existence, and this existence is God.


Hi everyone here, do you agree with me that there has always been existence, or you hold that there was never any existence, then from nothingness somethingness just sprang forth into existence?

I thin if you hold that position, you are absurd, period.
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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi Ynotisay, there are three ways humans can know God exists:

1. By reasoning
2. By reading the Bible (or the Koran for Muslims)
3. By meditation

I am concentrating on coming to the knowledge of God by Num 1 - reasoning.

And here is my latest definition of God:
"God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."



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Ynotisay · M
@yrger Who the hell are you to say that to someone dude? Follow up. Don't you god people take anything you read in your little book seriously? Because, according to that book, you're toast for that kind of behavior. Might want to slow your roll with the arrogance a little bit. Wish you guys would walk the walk. But that's not what it's about, right?

Philippians 2:3
Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.

1 Timothy 6:4-5
He is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

Proverbs 16:5
Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished.
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
@yrger
I am concentrating on coming to the knowledge of God by Num 1 - reasoning.
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DocSavage · M
@yrger
1. By reasoning
2. By reading the Bible (or the Koran for Muslims)
3. By meditation
Each of your reasons contains a major flaw, which contradicts your conclusion.
1) your reason is based on the limited information you have. You can not possibly account for all you don’t know. And you are selective on what want to believe, regardless of evidence.
2) Reading religious text, only gives you that point of view. There are numerous other religions, one can be right, all of them can be wrong.
All are man made. But they all agree that a god existed before man. If so, its nature, can be beyond our concept. Which renders descriptions useless. Including self awareness, intent, and spiritual.
3) So what,you meditate on a preconceived idea. Changes nothing. You’re still only telling yourself what you want to hear.

None of this is evidence of anything. I can use the same reasons and conclude the exact opposite.
(1) There has always been something existing, that is the reality, it's the fact and the truth.
(2) There has always been nothingness which is impossible, because nothingness cannot exist at all.

Also flawed. Something always existed. Perhaps. But that doesn’t mean it can’t change its state.
Ask someone if they can walk on water, they’ll probably say no.
But you can walk on ice, so the answer could also be yes.
You have no information on the state of the universe before the Big Bang. So you can’t say what or who was there.
I understand your so called evidence, I just don’t accept your preconceived, man made conclusions.