Why didn't God create Adam and Eve to be perfect beings like himself?

@BibleData as an imperfect being I can only define perfection as the absence of imperfection

@BibleData which is within itself an imperfect definition

@BibleData so therefore you cannot understand or define perfection within the confines of imperfection

@BibleData you cannot base a theory understanding or definition of perfection from a construct of imperfection unless it is proven with empirical evidence from multiple sources. Which certainly is not the case with regards to a Biblical understanding of a perfect God.

@James25 Okay. The difficulty with perfection is that it is a subjective term, dependent upon the beholder. The Bible says Adam was created perfect, meaning innocent and having great potential, like a newborn baby. God's rest, the seventh day when God completed his creation which the sabbath was modeled after as a reminder to us, wasn't a literal 24 hour period, it was a coming period of time in which man was given the opportunity to become complete. To have filled and subdued the earth. That's why David said the day continued hundreds of years later, and then Paul hundreds of years after that. The problem is that Adam decided he didn't want that. That's why we die. The point of achieving completion, as the angels had prior to Adam's creation, was temporarily interrupted. If we lived forever as Adam was meant to we would be far too destructive and compromise the creation.

@James25 [quote]so therefore you cannot understand or define perfection within the confines of imperfection[/quote]

Then your OP is misleading. You can't say if God created them perfect, or intended to because you can't understand or define perfection? It's an ideological supposition?

@James25 [quote]you cannot base a theory understanding or definition of perfection from a construct of imperfection unless it is proven with empirical evidence from multiple sources. Which certainly is not the case with regards to a Biblical understanding of a perfect God.[/quote]

Ahh! And there's the basis for the misleading ideology. The ever illusive utopian science. If you can't understand or define perfection there is no empirical evidence and multiple sources would only establish a faulty premise. Before you can estimate and be critical of Biblical understanding I recommend you acquire it first.

@James25 [quote]as an imperfect being I can only define perfection as the absence of imperfection[/quote]

Brilliant! Science is awesome isn't it? Helps us think, well . . . for ourselves, like you said God created Adam and Eve to do.

@BibleData [quote]recommend you acquire it first[/quote]

Perhaps you could define it first?

@newjaninev2 Biblical understanding means to understand the Bible.

@BibleData “ The difficulty with perfection is that it is a subjective term, dependent upon the beholder.”

Totally wrong. We have examples of perfection all around us. 2+2=4 is an easy one. Geometry is based on perfection. Conceptual ideas like this inform the human mind of the attributes of perfection far better than any Bronze Age superstition.

@redredred [quote]Totally wrong. We have examples of perfection all around us.[/quote]

It doesn't matter if they are all around us. You can find more examples of mythological presuppositions throughout human societies than you can "perfect" ones.

@BibleData there is zero distinction between all religions and superstitions. The bible contains over 2500 factual errors so any search for perfection necessarily must go elsewhere.

@redredred [quote] there is zero distinction between all religions and superstitions.[/quote]

That's just nonsense.

[quote]The bible contains over 2500 factual errors so any search for perfection necessarily must go elsewhere.[/quote]

Really! That's interesting. It's also nonsense, but interesting that you would come up with that number.

@BibleData Please don’t tell me you take that ignorant scrap book of Bronze Age myth seriously. Really? That’s hysterical.

Leviticus says bats are birds. Joshua say the sun moves through the sky. Genesis provides conflicting stories for Eves origin. Factual errors abound

Define the difference between religion snd superstition if you can

@redredred [quote]Leviticus says bats are birds.[/quote]

No it doesn't.

[quote] Joshua say the sun moves through the sky.[/quote]

And we say the sun rises and sets.

[quote]Genesis provides conflicting stories for Eves origin. [/quote]

No it doesn't.

[quote]Factual errors abound.[/quote]

In your criticism, yes.

[quote]Define the difference between religion snd superstition if you can[/quote]

If I can? Superstition is a widely held but unjustified belief in supernatural causation leading to certain consequences of an action or event, or a practice based on such a belief. Religion is a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.

@BibleData You’ve failed again,

Leviticus 11:13-19
13 “And these you shall detest among the birds; they shall not be eaten; they are detestable: the eagle, the bearded vulture, the black vulture, 14 the kite, the falcon of any kind, 15 every raven of any kind, 16 the ostrich, the nighthawk, the sea gull, the hawk of any kind, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the short-eared owl, 18 the barn owl, the tawny owl, the carrion vulture, 19 the stork, the heron of any kind, the hoopoe, and the bat.

Joshua 10:12–14 “On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel: ‘Sun, stand still over Gibeon, / and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.’ / So the sun stood still, / and the moon stopped, / till the nation avenged itself on its enemies.

We may use shorthand expressions but your Bible is supposed to be the word of a perfect god.

On the origin of Eve

The Book of Genesis begins with two contradictory creation accounts (1:1-2:3 and 2:4-3:24). In the first, God created humans (male and female) after he finished making all of the other animals. In the second, God made one man ("Adam") and then created all of the animals in order to find a helpmeet for Adam. God brought all of the animals to Adam, but none of them appealed to him. So God made a woman from one of Adam's ribs to serve as his helpmeet

You “distinction between superstition and religion is not a distinction. Either delusion could be defined with what you’ve written.

@redredred What is the Hebrew word translated at Leviticus 11:13 as birds? You ignore the fact that terms like "the rise and setting" of the sun are the same as Joshua 10:12-14?

[quote]We may use shorthand expressions but your Bible is supposed to be the word of a perfect god.[/quote]

Where did you get that silly idea? From Christians? No. The Bible itself warns to test the authenticity of itself. The Bible is the fallible translation of God's inspired word as given to the writers and prophets recorded therein.

[Edit: Forgot all about Eve] The two creation accounts differ only in their order. The first is chronological and the second is topical.

[quote]You “distinction between superstition and religion is not a distinction. Either delusion could be defined with what you’ve written.[/quote]

So? The same could be said of history or science. Do you think those are impervious to delusion?

@BibleData I proved you wrong on three or four points and you’re too small a man to admit you’re wrong. You lack integrity.

@redredred No, actually, you proved that you are an ignorant liar and have no merit to judge my integrity. Your next predictably atheist move is to ignore me. If any reasonable people out there would like to respond to that post I would be glad to see it.

@BibleData I provided you direct quotes that directly proved you in error. You denied you were in error despite clear evidence that you were and remain in error. I am very well qualified to judge your character in light of your obvious lack of integrity.

@redredred [quote]I provided you direct quotes that directly proved you in error.[/quote]

But no. When you were corrected you ignored it. The word mistranslated as birds applies to fowl, which is archaic for any flying creature. Insect, bird, bat . Like cattle. From chattel. Not just cows but any movable property. Pigs, cows, sheep, slaves. You should try looking things up once in a while. It can be useful.

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