Is Christian morality superior or inferior to secular morality? Why?

@Abstraction That passage is BS. Compare it to the threat in John 15:6 (CEV) = "6 If you don't stay joined to me, you will be thrown away. You will be like dry branches that are gathered up and burned in a fire."

@Pikachu I understand the essence of what you presented as this: [i]humanistic morality is greater than christian morality because christian morality is based on whatever God says, whereas humanistic morality is based on the needs of human beings. [/i]
I have disagreed. I'm arguing this is a false dichotomy and it actually misrepresents Christian morality.
The views I am presenting are broadly-based and find expression over hundreds of years - probably preceding Aquinas, I'd have to think. You often appear to have fun arguing with the unread. But christian moral philosophers, theologians and others who have tackled morality and social ethics would immediately qualify the statements you make in your question and disagree with your premise, so your argument to them would be a bit of a straw man. How? Let me clear: [b]there is no dichotomy between 'morality that is based on the interests of humans' and Christian morality.[/b] They explore it from both moral philosophies or ethics studies and theological exposition - and come to the same conclusion. So... these studies demonstrate that humanistic morality is not superior. I don't mind calling it a draw. I am not aware of any essential human value that isn't found in Christian morality (and from Christian perspective doesn't also find its origin in the being of God as revealed in Christ.) The OT passages many of them address but that's a really big topic.

@Abstraction

Well the problem is that it is people who interpret what is moral from a Biblical perspective so even if you reckon that Jesus would have no problematic moral guidelines, Christian morality still depends on what Christians reckon god wants.

For example, Christians have reckoned that god made us male and female and that only male and female should be joined in marriage.
Using Christian morality, it is not right that two men or two women should be able to partake in this sacrament.
Using secular morality there is absolutely no reason why two consenting adults should not enjoy the same rights as their fellows.

How can that be interpreted in any other way than secular morality being superior to Christian morality?

@astrosandorbits

[quote]because it is what God wants, it benefits humans more than what we could do/want for ourselves using our own moral compass[/quote]

Indeed. But that demands relying on faith that what appears to be monstrous is actually benevolence.
I'm not too comfortable with that.
It's the theological equivalent of "Trust me, bro". lol

[quote]A big one to me is what is just?[/quote]

Agreed.
And i think that's a key point with regard to the superiority/inferiority of Christian morality.
Is it just to murder men, women and children so that you can live where they're living? Is it just to punish the son for the crimes of the father? Is it just to kill otherwise innocent people on the basis that they have associated with the guilty party?
Well under the Christian moral system the answer is "Yes" on all counts because these are examples of god's justice but in any other context most of us would agree that this does not represent justice.

@astrosandorbits You're forgetting that according to the biblical fairy tale, God said in Genesis 3:22 (NKJV) = "22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—

So, humans are just as smart and knowledgeable about good and evil as the God creature is. Therefore, we no longer need his input on those issues.

@newjaninev2

I think that's a pretty good definition. Certainly a more useful definition than "What i reckon god wants".

@Ferise1 Well, I have been to Vegas 😂
Why do you ask?

@REMsleep

[quote]Also is seems very lacking and dismissive to put Christian morality into a tiny corner of just being " what a god wants".
That is not the Christian view on Christian morality.
[/quote]

Is it not?
I don't intend to be dismissive. I'm earnestly representing the situation as i see it.
If you see something as immoral but god commands it, do you concede your moral judgement and submit to god?
Yes or no?
Feel free to elaborate on either answer.

Of course there are are standards of morality that the Christian and the secularist can both agree on but at the end of the day, the Christian is required to accept any action of, or command by god to take precedence even if that appears to run contrary to their own well being or the well being of another human.
Yes or no?
Feel free to elaborate on either answer.

@Pikachu It would be nearly impossible. I only say nearly because Im too tired to try to rack my brain for any senario where it could be possible to believe that God wants us to do something which is immoral.
If a believing individual thinks that God is requiring something immoral he or she is not understanding things or perhaps is not living within the will of God and so has turned to secular ideology.

Its not possible for a Christian to believe that anything of God is immoral and if it is then God would not be God because God is perfect and does not abide with immorality at all.

God's will is perfect and perfect for us because he is God.

@REMsleep

[quote]Its not possible for a Christian to believe that anything of God is immoral ... God's will is perfect and perfect for us because he is God[/quote]

That's my point and that's why i argue that secular morality is superior.
If Christian morality dictates that what god wants (or what they believe god wants) is by definition moral then they necessarily subordinate what they would otherwise consider to be moral to that standard.
By contrast, secular morality would maintain that a moral command is moral and an immoral command is immoral no matter who is giving the order.

[quote]I only say nearly because Im too tired to try to rack my brain for any senario where it could be possible to believe that God wants us to do something which is immoral.[/quote]

Well let me help you out:

If your president or you husband or your king or your friend told you to murder your child to show them that you were loyal to them, that would be an immoral command.
No one can reasonably disagree with that assessment.
Even if that person did not intend for you to carry out that act but wanted you to prove your loyalty by showing your willingness to murder your child, that would be an immoral way to test loyalty.
No one can reasonably disagree with that assessment.
This represents a secular morality.

But in Genesis, god did command Abraham to murder his child and under Christian morality that was (if god had really intended for Abraham to kill Isaac) a morally correct command and (if god did not intend for Abraham to kill Isaac) a morally correct test of loyalty.

So, since under any other context we would recognize the immoral nature of this command/test and since under Christian morality this command/test is necessarily moral...how can one reasonably argue that Christian morality is not inferior to secular morality?

@Dainbramadge

Yeah i've has that conversation with believers before. They claim that god really wants to save us...and yet his priority still appears to be that we worship him.

@canusernamebemyusername

Even less than that: It's based on what humans reckon god wants.

@Crazywaterspring

Well there definitely is a lot of that going on in Christian circles.

@BlueSkyKing

Well neither is "genocide" but that's still in the Bible😜

@Roundandroundwego

What do you mean?

@ChipmunkErnie

Yeah i'd say in that sense Christian morality is inferior. If you don't do evil only because you fear punishment then you're not a good person.

@Pikachu It's not necessary for every one of your questions to generate deep BS debate. Get over yourself. You're just as full of it as the rest of us.

@RedBaron

lol oh do calm your indignant, self-righteous tits...
No one forced you to enter the thread simply to refuse to engage with the subject matter.

You've lost my interest.

@Pikachu Just as no one forced you to ask the question. As my answer indicated, you lost my interest from the get-go. But at least you know that name-calling comes in handy when you have nothing intelligent to say.

@LeopoldBloom

That's definitely a big problem.

@Pikachu So a theocracy is just a dictatorship with a false appeal to authority.

@SatyrService

I'd say he's got some anger issues at the very least lol

@Human1000 Yep, be sure not to be too harsh on your slaves.