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Adstar · 56-60, M
13:43.. 6) God does love all homosexuals and wants them saved,, Just as Good loves thieves and murderers and adulterers.. Jesus came into the world and died to pay the penalty for the sins of all sinners.. Where some cults go wrong is when they say that the sexual act of homosexuality is ok and not a sin.. The scriptures makes it clear that if a man lays with another man as a man lays with a woman it is an abomination to God.. But again all sins apart from blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.. So a homosexual who believes Jesus and trusts in the Atonement of Jesus will have eternity with God..
7) 33:43 Looking at the graffiti on the wall and watching up till that point i was getting the uneasy feeling that people where either being told that the Holy Spirit would cause one to cease sinning or that failing in ceasing to sin means the Holy Spirit does not want you or has rejected you.. I will keep watching to see if they say anything definite on this issue.. But if that's what they preach then they are just another Works salvation religion.. Salvation is a gift from God to us.. It is not some Loan we have to repaid with the achievement of sinless perfection on earth.. Jesus came to save us because we CANNOT achieve a sinless life on earth..
8) 39:15 Am thinking about the level of damage this society had done towards many of the guys in this video.. I think their level of damage drives them to persist in the hope of a solution that will rectify the damage done to their minds.. I don't feel any anger towards them.. Even the leaders.. I feel sorrow for them all.. While God can heal severe psychological damage .. The main point of believing Jesus and trusting in his atonement is not to have ones traumas in this world wiped.. I fear for a person who seeks God to have their traumas wiped on this world.. If a person gets religous with that expectation.. Then i can see the LORD withholding His cure for those traumas, because if God heals them then they will believe that's what the Word of God is all about.. They will miss the main game of Christianity.. Eternal salvation,, not earthly protection from troubles..
9) 59:00 They failed Keith.. Even if Keith was faking it.. and would not become a believer.. as a human being they should have helped him if they had material support to give..
10) 1:05.00 Baptism.. Water baptism is simply a public symbolic show of a change that has already happened within.. Alex is frustrated because his water baptism is being delayed.. Why? Does He believe that he is not a saved unless he has actually have the ceremony carried out upon him??? If so then that is another pointer to the organization being a works salvation religion.. The Holy Spirit comes to indwell within you when you believe Jesus and trust in the atonement He secured by His death on the cross.. It is not secured by someone submerging you into a pool of water..
I will finish watching this video later..
7) 33:43 Looking at the graffiti on the wall and watching up till that point i was getting the uneasy feeling that people where either being told that the Holy Spirit would cause one to cease sinning or that failing in ceasing to sin means the Holy Spirit does not want you or has rejected you.. I will keep watching to see if they say anything definite on this issue.. But if that's what they preach then they are just another Works salvation religion.. Salvation is a gift from God to us.. It is not some Loan we have to repaid with the achievement of sinless perfection on earth.. Jesus came to save us because we CANNOT achieve a sinless life on earth..
8) 39:15 Am thinking about the level of damage this society had done towards many of the guys in this video.. I think their level of damage drives them to persist in the hope of a solution that will rectify the damage done to their minds.. I don't feel any anger towards them.. Even the leaders.. I feel sorrow for them all.. While God can heal severe psychological damage .. The main point of believing Jesus and trusting in his atonement is not to have ones traumas in this world wiped.. I fear for a person who seeks God to have their traumas wiped on this world.. If a person gets religous with that expectation.. Then i can see the LORD withholding His cure for those traumas, because if God heals them then they will believe that's what the Word of God is all about.. They will miss the main game of Christianity.. Eternal salvation,, not earthly protection from troubles..
9) 59:00 They failed Keith.. Even if Keith was faking it.. and would not become a believer.. as a human being they should have helped him if they had material support to give..
10) 1:05.00 Baptism.. Water baptism is simply a public symbolic show of a change that has already happened within.. Alex is frustrated because his water baptism is being delayed.. Why? Does He believe that he is not a saved unless he has actually have the ceremony carried out upon him??? If so then that is another pointer to the organization being a works salvation religion.. The Holy Spirit comes to indwell within you when you believe Jesus and trust in the atonement He secured by His death on the cross.. It is not secured by someone submerging you into a pool of water..
I will finish watching this video later..
RubiesandButterflies · 51-55, F
@Adstar I was mentally and emotionally damaged by them. I joined 25 years ago and was only part of them on and off for around three years. Their teachings were warped. Women were banned from wearing trousers. Children were not aloowed birthday or christmas presents. Any money or possessions had to be shared. Meals were very basic as we were taught that we had to be grateful for what we got. I did not live in but I often stayed at weekends.
Adstar · 56-60, M
The guy making the video called himself a laxed catholic.. And he was making this film to find out if he could discover something he had lost... He never had the LORD because he was in one of the biggest cults in the world today,, the catholic religion.. He never lost anything of value because he never had anything of value..
As for the religious group featured in the video::
1) Football and Jesus.. I am a Christian and have followed football (soccer) for years.. There is no teaching in the Bible about having to give up on football to be a christian.. That was just weird..
2) Drinking and Jesus... Although i do not drink alcohol it has nothing to do with my Faith in Jesus.. The first miracle Jesus performed was to turn water into wine for a wedding celebration.. The denominations who push for Zero drinking are NOT standing on anything Biblical at all.. Yes the Bible teaches against getting drunk.. But nowhere does it preach abstinence from drinking 100%''
3) Shepard as a religous title.. Jesus is our Shepard.. I am ok with actual Shepard of sheep calling themselves Shepard but not as a religous title for a person..
4) I have never been moved by the signs featured in the gathering featured at 10:48 in the video.. I focus 100% on the teachings that a group teaches.. Their doctrines.. is it in alignment with the scriptures or not.. The scriptures even give warning that in the end times we would see lying signs and wonders being performed.. So i remain focused on the teachings. Not any signs and wonders..
5) Celibacy :: Yes i agree Christians should be celebrate before marriage.. But even if a person falls down in this area the Atonement of the LORD will cover them and see their transgression forgiven.. I will continue watching this video..
As for the religious group featured in the video::
1) Football and Jesus.. I am a Christian and have followed football (soccer) for years.. There is no teaching in the Bible about having to give up on football to be a christian.. That was just weird..
2) Drinking and Jesus... Although i do not drink alcohol it has nothing to do with my Faith in Jesus.. The first miracle Jesus performed was to turn water into wine for a wedding celebration.. The denominations who push for Zero drinking are NOT standing on anything Biblical at all.. Yes the Bible teaches against getting drunk.. But nowhere does it preach abstinence from drinking 100%''
3) Shepard as a religous title.. Jesus is our Shepard.. I am ok with actual Shepard of sheep calling themselves Shepard but not as a religous title for a person..
4) I have never been moved by the signs featured in the gathering featured at 10:48 in the video.. I focus 100% on the teachings that a group teaches.. Their doctrines.. is it in alignment with the scriptures or not.. The scriptures even give warning that in the end times we would see lying signs and wonders being performed.. So i remain focused on the teachings. Not any signs and wonders..
5) Celibacy :: Yes i agree Christians should be celebrate before marriage.. But even if a person falls down in this area the Atonement of the LORD will cover them and see their transgression forgiven.. I will continue watching this video..
Adstar · 56-60, M
11) AIDS... It seems he was in denial and that allowed the condition to develop.. Probably shame and fear of how the others would react caused him to hide / deny it... But again Homosexuality is covered by the atoning blood of the LORD Jesus for all Believing Christians.. It is good that they never shunned billy, at lest they did not fail Billy like they failed the others..
May they be forgiven..
May they be forgiven..
Isthisit · F
Just the people at the beginning singing creeps me out. Im sorry you were sucked into that. Are the police investigating the abuse allegations? I hope they are.
RubiesandButterflies · 51-55, F
@Isthisit the last I heard no-one was charged with anything. But there were many accusations so not everyone could have been lying. The leader was very hands on going around hugging all the young lads. Most of them were kids from the streets often ex drug addicts. I think he took advantage of them. It's impossible to bring charges against him because he died.
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ExperienceDLT · M
Why would you joing a cult?
RubiesandButterflies · 51-55, F
@ExperienceDLT I didn't know it was a cult it masqueraded as a lively charismatic church. It wasn't until I'd been there a couple of years their behaviour started changing towards me. People who seemed loving and supportive began to get demanding, critical & judgemental.
ExperienceDLT · M
@RubiesandButterflies stay away from groups like that they are bad news
RubiesandButterflies · 51-55, F
@ExperienceDLT I was a part of them 25 years ago and I'm still struggling with the trauma as a result
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
I’ve never heard of it.
RubiesandButterflies · 51-55, F
@cherokeepatti it was in the UK. The main house was a farm in Northampton with other houses across the UK.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@RubiesandButterflies The U.S.A. Has had more than a few cults and some were on farms.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@cherokeepatti Do you remember the Branch Davidians of Waco Texas Patti.. They where a farm based cult.. But the way the US governement killed them has to go down in history as a real crime against humanity if i have ever witnessed one..