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YAHWEH's Great Dilemma

In the beginning Yahweh created, Light and dark, matter and void, wet and dry, nonliving and life and it was good. Yahweh said “Let Us create man in Our Image” and so Yahweh created man; male and female created He them. Yahweh put man in a paradise and gave them stern instructions, of all the plants in the garden you may eat but for the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil you must not eat. Seduced by a serpent the woman ate of the tree and gave it to her husband telling him that it was good to eat also. On that fateful day at that fateful moment when both man and woman had eaten of the forbidden fruit their souls passed from life to death. Their immortal bodies became mortal and the land did not give up its abundance as it had before. Driven from the garden evil increased on the earth as even some of the angels became sinners by having sex with human women. The evil increased and Yahweh faced His dilemma. Does He destroy His Creation as is His perfect and sovereign right or does He save His Creation out of love?
I'm having a lot of trouble with the timetable of your creation myth. See the universe is filled with clocks, and they disagree with your start time.



CLOCKS


Visit any limestone cave. Stalactites grow at a rate of about 1mm per 10 years. So a 10 meter stalactite has been growing about 100,000 years. And close examination of cross sections shows the year by year layering (where rainfall is seasonal). These stalactites can be found all over the world. The ages are corroborated by radiometric carbon dating.

Tree rings are clocks. The oldest living tree goes back about 4800 years. But wood from dead trees can contain records of volcanic events, thus extending the record back much farther.
Originally developed for climate science, the method is now an invaluable tool for archaeologists, who can track up to 13,000 years of history using tree ring chronologies for over 4,000 sites on six continents.
The ages are corroborated by radiometric carbon dating (establishing age by measuring ratios of radioactive vs stable isotopes).

Seasonal snowfall on glaciers accumulates to form countable layers. Greenland ice sheet layers can be counted back about 110,000 years. The ages are corroborated by radiometric dating. Other glaciers go back as far as 700,000 years, but on those the older data is mostly radiometric dating.

Salt flows from rocks into lakes and the ocean. If no salt left the ocean, that would give an age of 50 million to 70 million years. However, various geologic processes cause salt to leave the ocean at about the rate it's entering, so 50 million to 70 million years becomes a minimum estimate of the age of the earth.

Layering of sedimentary rocks - such as in the Grand Canyon - forms a series of clocks. These layers correspond to different stages in the evolution of life on the planet. The layers can be dated by positional order (bottom layer formed first), sedimentation rate, age of fossils found in the layer, and of course, radiometric dating. There are five main isotope pairs used for dating sedimentary rocks as well as the 'fissile track' method; you can read about it all here:
https://australian.museum/learn/minerals/shaping-earth/radioactive-dating/

Then there's all the fossils of extinct animals found in the rock layers. They're not exactly a clock, but they are an indicator of the vast amounts of time over which evolution occurs.

Of course outer space offers many clocks. Accumulation of craters on airless bodies like the Moon forms a clock. Shells of glowing gas left over from novas and supernovas form clocks (the Lambda Orionis Ring is about 1 million years old). The redshift of light from galaxies billions of light years away form clocks. The Hubble expansion of the universe forms a clock. The frequency shift of big bang radiation to form the cosmic microwave background is a clock.

No one clock is perfect, but they all corroborate each other pretty well, and they ALL give life FAR MORE than 6000 years to evolve.

If you argue "God hid those dinosaur bones (and all the isotopes used for dating) in the rocks" I can't disprove it. If you argue "God built all those layers into the glaciers and into stalactites, made the nova remnants appear millions of years old, etc." I can't disprove it. But you've got to ask yourself, why would God put all these inter-corroborating clocks all over the Earth and all thru the galaxy if they were all false???
karysma · 31-35, F
@ElwoodBlues I don't think the 7 day creation is a parable but then again the Bible is full of hidden mysteries that a being revealed on a daily basis.
@hippyjoe1955 @karysma Interestingly, on another thread, @hippyjoe1955 is talking about the cretaceous period, which lasted from 140 million years ago to the end of the dinosaurs, 66 million years ago. So it seems @hippyjoe1955 isn't really so much of a believer in 7-day creation as he purports to be here.

So which is it, @hippyjoe1955? Do you believe in the 7-day creation that occurred 6000 years ago? Or do you believe vast amounts of limestone were formed by corals over a period of 75 million years?

What do you think all the limestone is made of? CO2 The CO2 levels in the cretaceous period was about 6000 ppm. It is now around 400 ppm. What happened to all the CO2? The corals etc turned it into limestone. If you don't know that then there is no hope for you and your silly theories.
Found in https://similarworlds.com/environment/climate-change/4415286-A-picture-for-the-AGW-crowd-Make-of-it-what-you?sort=1
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues You seem to make all kinds of silly assumptions about me. Strange how you blame me for your mistakes. Amazing.
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Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@jshm2 In the fairy tale, Adam & Eve were always going to die. They were not immortals before they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They were kicked to the curb before they ate from the tree of life and became immortal. Read the fairy tale.
WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
Whatever he decided he must have changed his mind when he later drowned the planet.
WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 These people are so busy trying to appear better informed they couldn’t get a laugh out of a hyena. I suppose they’re above sharing a joke.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@WintaTheAngle Sometimes you need to be on the inside to understand the humor.
WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 And other times, it’s just not funny.
th3r0n · 41-45, M
Thus the flood

He found only Noah worthy to be saved
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@th3r0n Stay tuned. Noah was not righteous by himself.
th3r0n · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 he walked with God
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@th3r0n Never said he didn't. Noah like you and I are creations.
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