religious post their quotes n it's fine but i do it n they get all pissy.

@hippyjoe1955 i'd quote the "good" stuff too but there's more than enough out there.

@bugeye So why are you hung up on Old Testament law? Serious question.

@hippyjoe1955 same god

@BlueVeins Different contracts.

@hippyjoe1955 does it matter? the new testament neither condemns nor retracts the old testament and if you go by the argument that we should only follow the new testament then that throws out the commandments.

@hippyjoe1955 Contracts? The slaves didn't sign jack shit, that was imposed upon them through the threat of violence.

@bugeye The testament refutes all the law of the old testament. The law is gone and we are dead to it. Therefore there is no slave nor free no Jew nor gentile nor male nor female for all are one in Christ Jesus.

@BlueVeins We were discussing God and our attempts to be with Him. There are two contracts the first (oldest) was based on a set of laws that no one could obey. The second was given (free gift) and it eliminated the first. You really aren't up to date on theology are you.

@hippyjoe1955 except in...

Ephesians 6:5 -
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.”

Colossians 3:22 -
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.”

1 Peter 2:18 -
“Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.”
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or in Mathew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

first 3 are about slaves being obedient and the 4th saying that the laws of the old testament won't be changed until all has come to pass.

@bugeye So employees should disobey their employers? Please don't make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have. Paul was speaking about the secular culture he was living in. Rome was a huge slaving operation. It was how it made its money. If you understood what Paul was saying your face would be red with embarrassment. You just made a complete fool of yourself.

@hippyjoe1955 it's weird being called a fool by someone who compares a slave and master to an employer/employee relationship. XD

besides around 80–100 AD in the middle east isn't what i'd call a secular culture.

@bugeye Once again you have no idea about the times. Do you know that many slaves were granted their 'freedom' but decided they wanted to remain slaves? The point I am making is that in a culture where slavery is the norm Paul's words make perfect sense. Do you think he should have told the slaves to be scofflaws? The fact is that Christianity was the religion of the slaves. Read 1 Corinthians 1: 26 -29 "Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him".

@hippyjoe1955 Everyone knows that babe, I'm sayin' the fact that it's a "contract" doesn't really make the situation any better, considering that the victims of the "contract" weren't party to it. Like I can't have an agreement with my buddy to go shoot a bunch of schoolchildren together & then get out of the moral ramifications for that by saying it was a contract that the ppl judging me weren't involved in.

@hippyjoe1955 " Once again you have no idea about the times. Do you know that many slaves were granted their 'freedom' but decided they wanted to remain slaves? "

glad you brought that up since the only reason they chose to remain slaves was because when they were to be released it was on their own. leaving behind any wives/kids. also the let go after a certain time only applied to hebrew slaves. any others were your property to be passed down to your children.

@BlueVeins The only one bound by the contract is God. You are not bound by the contract. You can do what ever you please. Just don't expect good to come from evil acts.

@bugeye And you think slavery is evil because of Christian teachings. Hmmmm.

@hippyjoe1955 ah yes, evil acts like being the daughter of a man who wants to sell you into slavery.

@BlueVeins Where did you read that? Did you not read the condemnation in the Bible for those who are slavers? I Timothy 1: 10 says that there is only condemnation for those who trade in slaves. Maybe you missed that part.

@hippyjoe1955 i think owning people as property is evil regardless of Christianity condoning, regulating and even as recently as the late 1700's promoting it.

@hippyjoe1955 different contract, my dude 💅

@bugeye Christianity did not condone it. It condemned it in the harshest terms. 1 Timothy 1:10. However St Paul realized that as much as he abhorred slavery, slavery was not going away. His words of advise were to a group of people he knew and advised them on how to live their lives and be holy. One who is holy can be holy and a slave. The two are not exclusive.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]Christianity did not condone it. It condemned it in the harshest terms.[/quote]

Worshipping a god who supported slavery is definitely not condemning slavery in the harshest terms.

@BlueVeins Nope same contract. Same guy (St Paul) said "Slaves submit to your masters" and "Slave traders are condemned to hell". Funny that. Too bad your hatred of Christianity blinded to this simple fact.

@BlueVeins What God are you talking about? Did you not read about Yahweh freeing the Hebrew slaves? Huh. You just aren't as informed as you think you are.

@hippyjoe1955 I was referring to the Exodus line, actually, but even then, "slavery bad but you can't rebel against it" is still a really diseased take that overwhelmingly benefits slavers.