Electric vehicles

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zonavar68 · 51-55, M

I like the fact that with both petrol/diesel and electric vehicles around it provides *actual choice* but governments and industry are hell-bent on closing that window ASAP because the cash cow attraction of EV's is beginning to take off.

Australia has now legalised a massive emissions reduction target at federal level and some Australian's states/territories are already legislating to ban the sale of petrol vehicles from somewhere in the 2030 to 2040 area (2035 for the ACT where the Australian federal capital city of Canberra is located).

Currently there's no movement on implementing universal road user charges based on km travelled per year and/or maybe also a weight-based charge. NSW currently has a weight based 'motor vehicle tax' added to the actual rego cost.

The fuel excise (44.2 cents per litre for all petrol and diesel grades used in road transport) is a federal tax, and a universal road user charge to capture usage by EV owners (who don't buy petrol or diesel unless it's a hybrid) is still just a pipedream.

One 'good' thing is that the cost of electricity to charge EV's is not cheap, so EV owners think they are getting a great deal but are just being 'green washed'.

PS. One of the biggest emitters is road transport (much bigger than coal-fired and gas-fired power stations!), basically all diesel, and rail transport (outside of QLD all freight rail is diesel). Nobody is addressing that yet. Then there is marine transport. Once again except for military vessels it's basically all fossil-fueled as well.

McGeeisme · 61-69, M

@zonavar68 meh, that's like how they have almost entirely done away with the standard transmission, just make fewer and fewer over a period of about ten years and by the time it is legally required there'll only be a handful of obstinate cranks holding out, insisting they must be given free gasoline or diesel, or cashed out for ten's of thousands more than the price of new electric will be. But really, those will just be a very few, everyone else will be fine examples of how to just get on with it and cease the sniveling. It's all going to be fine, of course.

zonavar68 · 51-55, M

@McGeeisme Yes and everyone expect instant smooth power from a standing start with modern vehicles. That is one thing an EV can do as an inherent factor of how electric motors work. Everything is about 'dumbing down' the driver experience to remove situational awareness and permit 'the car' to be the 'smart partner' in the meld between driver and vehicle.

SteelHands · 61-69, M

2/3 of the electricity generated on Earth is made by burning fossil fuels, plant and reclaim trashes, forestry wood and coal.

That Electricity that you use to charge an electric vehicle is raising the atmospheric Co² worse than if you drove a Corvette.

If all cars were changed into EVs like magic overnight, the grid could never power them all and if it did there would be ten times more global Co² being generated than now.

EVs have a purpose. I like them for user in short hop city transport they make sense. They make no sense as daily drivers for medium distance or long distance freeway use.

Plus they're extra heavy because of the batteries, wreck the roads faster and are battering rams in accidents.

Just so everyone knows. They're not as great as the corporate morons and government dummys are claiming they are. They're just looking at the profit motive. They don't care about the problems with them.

zonavar68 · 51-55, M

@SteelHands Ev's are a green-washers dream. They also give oil companies a convenient way to change away from being oil companies into 'diversified' businesses. Same old corporate oil greed with a different flavour. And unfortunately for Musk he has been the 'early adopter' which all the other auto makers have enjoyed because they get to profit from what is now semi-proven technology and Musk's Tesla business will be 'just another car maker' not something unique.

TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP

there is no such thing. they are battery cars charged by that beautiful fossil fuel coal and gas..

McGeeisme · 61-69, M

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout not where I live, we have abundant, renewable hydro

zonavar68 · 51-55, M

@McGeeisme There is a thing called Snowy Hydro here in Australia too, but since the advent of the AEMO (Australian Energy Market Operator) which turned electricity and gas networks into commercial 'sharemarket' style trading entities, it's all gone to shit and the hydro system is just another thing that comes online only when market prices are higher, and goes offline when they're not. Electricity generation and distribution and retailing all used to be done by government owned businesses. Now all the generation is private, and the retailing is private, and only the distribution is still semi-government.

EV's are getting trendy off the back of 'established' rooftop solar industries. But that's very much a case of a two-tiered 'have or have-not' situation. If a person has rooftop solar they are probably 5x more likely to consider an electric vehicle and if they also have a home battery system and/or a big phat generator they are probably 10x more likely to consider an EV.

MrBrownstone · 46-50, M

What about the electric car?

McGeeisme · 61-69, M

@MrBrownstone just a bit of bait and switch

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