Here's what i see as a problem with heaven. Feedback appreciated
So you've made it to heaven. Well done! But when you get there, you find out that your husband/wife or children or some other person dear to you hasn't made it in.
How do you enjoy paradise knowing that person who is dear to you is suffering? Or is your memory of that person erased and if it is, would that be a desirable circumstance? Would you want that person you loved to cease to exist for you?
Thoughts?
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If you’re a true Christian, and that is one big if, you have the Spirit of truth in you. Leading you in righteousness bearing good fruit so that the Father may be glorified in the Son because you have kept Jesus’s commands proving that you love Him. Otherwise you don’t have the Spirit of Truth leading you nor do you love Jesus because you don’t keep his commands no matter what you say before men. Now as I said if you are then you have done everything you can and the Spirit has helped you gain all your loved ones to Christ rendering your question null and void. If there are those who refused your encouragement which most likely would be impossible then they love the world and God has given them over to their evil desires. Men and women with the Spirit love Jesus and God not the world. We will not have wives in Heaven. If the case is as you state here then most likely you have joined the ones you speak of here in as you call suffering. We won’t be asked in Heaven of our desires. No man can know what paradise in Heaven will be like until we get there. Men of God only follow the Spirits leadership striving to bear good fruit with good works glorifying God in Christ and aren’t concerned about the worldly things you speak of here.
the Spirit has helped you gain all your loved ones to Christ rendering your question null and void.
This is not an honest engagement with the question because in addition to attempting to avoid answering the question at all, it ignores the many real world, devout Christians whose loved ones have fallen away from the faith.
And then you go on to hand wave away such petty human concerns as "giving a shit about your family". So what remains of your humanity in heaven if you could be happy knowing your child or parent or beloved was suffering?
@Pikachu That’s not what I said at all. You know exactly what I’m saying and I absolutely answered your question. Is your family worried about where you’re going? You want to appear to have knowledge of the Bible yet you evidently don’t know that the more you know the more you condemn yourself.
@Pikachu What part did you not understand? I absolutely addressed the many devoted Christians and their loved ones. I think your interpretation of Christians differs from mine. I don’t know how much better I can explain it to you but I’ll try. Real Christians have the Spirit leading them and as a result Christ will give them whatever they ask for in prayer which will be that their loved ones receive and remain in Christ. Therefore your problem with Heaven doesn’t exist. It won’t matter to those that don’t have the Spirit because they won’t be in Christ unless they repent. Only someone that isn’t in Christ would be worried about such a thing. So therefore if you’re trying to use this as an excuse not to believe in Heaven? It won’t be.
as a result Christ will give them whatever they ask for in prayer which will be that their loved ones receive and remain in Christ. Therefore your problem with Heaven doesn’t exist.
Ok, you're confusing me...because that's objectively not the case. Or at least it is incontestably true that devout Christians pray for family members and loved ones who have fallen from the faith or never believed...and those people continue not to believe that Jesus rose and all that.... Like that's a hard fact. I've had people in my own family pray that i receive Christ (and for the record i earnestly tried).
I wonder if you understand properly the question i asked. Let's find out: Repeat, in your own words, what you think is the issues i am raising here.
@gregloa Wait, so if a Christian has family members who aren't Christian, are you saying that means they aren't a "true Christian?" Or that they don't really care what happens to those family members?
Easily. I just didn't think there was much point in continuing a dialogue with a closed mind on the other end. Which position specifically are you interested in?
Bud....put the claws away and just assume i'm asking you an honest question. If you want an answer, ask a specific question. Not interested in playing silly games🙄
@Pikachu I answered your silly question without hesitation. It’s really simple. There is nothing that will change my mind about the existence of God and what it takes to be Christian. Now specifically, what would it take for you to believe in God and be interested in what it actually means to be a Christian and think about becoming a Christian yourself?
I answered your silly question without hesitation.
lol i mean don't be too proud of answering without hesitation that you have an unfalsifiable belief....
Now specifically, what would it take for you to believe in God and be interested in what it actually means to be a Christian and think about becoming a Christian yourself?
Oh, that's easy: Personal revelation. If god came to me and himself convinced me that he was real and a being worthy of my love and worship.
@Lila15 You know you are a true Christian if you have the Spirit of truth in you, leading you in righteousness bearing good fruit so that the Father may be glorified in the Son because you have kept Jesus command’s proving that you love Him. We know who are true Christians by their fruit. Not what everyone claims with their mouths.
