I've been researching flat Earth for years, and I say "yes." There is an excellent chance that all of us have been lied to for our entire lives about the vary ground we walk on. I am not smart, but there is much physical evidence that would suggest that we have been lied to for centuries about the shape of the Earth, and reality in general.
You must do your own research and stop believing what you were taught at an age where you still believed in Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.
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One thing I don't understand about flat earthers is how exactly do you measure the size and what shape do you even think the Earth has? Because Eratosthenes and many other ancient people were able to answer these questions with simple maths (and they had no motive to lie about it). If you can't prove something with maths, there is no way you can prove it at all. So where exactly are the calculations of flat earthers?
@HannibalAteMeOut Yes, two sticks (one up north and the other down south) and the Summer Solstice at the Equator and the 'flat Earth' nonsense collapses.
As you say, Eratosthenes did it over 2,000 years ago.
@HannibalAteMeOut If all you want to know is that the earth is round you don't even need Eratosthenes' method; after all he wanted to know exactly what the dimensions were. To disprove the flat earth you just need to stand on the coast and watch a ship go over the horizon.
@ElwoodBlues Not actually flat is it, the area we live on? Not according to that bloke.
That hilariously inventive drawing and text, by a 19C American small-town grocer and hotelier only pretending to be a "professor", shows the "known" world as occupying a hemi-toroidal depression with central dome; a bit like a roulette-wheel or rather artistic ash-tray. Equally notable is nothing on the flat, smooth spandrels; apart from angels each several thousand miles tall. Clearly no-one had had the nerve to explore - let alone colonise - the corner regions!
Does anyone know if NASA or ESA has sent a probe round to study Ashtrayworld's vertical sides and underside?
If Mr. Musk sees this, perhaps he will start dreaming of hypersonic tourist flights to the Outer Spandrels. Don't miss the return space-plane. It's a long walk.
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Oddly, although the world had already long been known as spherical, some of the pioneering geologists in the late-18 / early-19C surmised by rather twisted geometry and thermodynamics that it ought be neither a globe nor a disc, but a dodecahedron! They were trying to understand volcanism, seismicity and mountain-building; but these did not really become clear until quite late in the 20C, after new exploration and measurement techniques found the keys to the question.
[HannibalAteMeOut] We go by what we can measure here on the ground. Basically line of site observations. There is so much that we should [u]NOT[/u] be able to see, yet there it is time and time again.
@TBIman [quote]We go by what we can measure here on the ground. Basically line of site observations. There is so much that we should NOT be able to see, yet there it is time and time again.[/quote] Do you have specific examples?
I go by what I can see and what I can take pictures of.
Go to Chicago. Head out on Lake Michigan on a calm day. Watch the city sink into the lake!! No, not really; it's just a bit beyond the curve of the Earth.
Go to Lake Ponchartrain.
Check out the power lines. Take some pictures. [media=https://youtu.be/ipqronPSXGM]
Then check out the causeway. Take some pictures. Did they build all these wind turbines partway under water? Nope. Curve of the Earth again.
@ElwoodBlues Why is it so important to you that I "believe" that we all live on a huge ball just spinning endlessly throughout an endless void? Perhaps your senses aren't working properly or something. I dunno?
@TBIman Actually, science isn't about belief, it's about skepticism. And when you look at ALL the data, gravity and roughly spherical planets and stars stand up best to skepticism and best explain all the data. You still haven't explained a single one of the photos of curved bodies of water right here on Earth.
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