What they don't get:

What they don't get is the want and need to reliably identify. Taking someone's word for it that they're a woman is less reliable than considering their unaltered body. Therefore the body should be the defining factor, not claims originating in the mind. Are trans women real women? No. Is there scientific proof of them being women? None to date. Still, we should accept them as a deeply troubled segment of society.

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carpediem · 61-69, M

we should accept them as a deeply troubled segment of society

I think you hit the nail on the head here. They should be accepted without question. But that doesn't mean simply because they have a belief that the rest of the world needs to alter their own values to accommodate. I refer to the use of pronouns as an example, or bathroom use.

I may think I'm the Empire of the Universe, but that doesn't mean you are expected to call me "You're Eminence". Or even worst, don't try to convince my grandchildren that they are actually a different gender.

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@carpediem Yes. We don't need to become enablers, but we don't want to attack either. A middle path is preferable.

carpediem · 61-69, M

@SW-User Agreed. Well done.

NerdyPotato · M

How does the unaltered body reliably define who's a man or woman then? Because I've heard various definitions that leave many people out or even contradict each other. Those who insist on only having two sexes and genders should first agree on how to make that divide for everyone before we can even have a discussion about whether dividing everyone in two categories that way is useful.

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NerdyPotato · M

@SW-User does the removal of other comments mean you decided to settle on letting physicans decide rather than strangers?

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Man (or woman) I did a lot of editing on this post. I must be the world's worst typist. And what's with the downvotes? I didn't call you mentally ill or anything. I just figure you made that big leap from "I want" to "I am". Chill already.

Tumbleweed · F

What inspired this post?

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@Hinckley I'm still hated for not blindly supporting their lying to the world.

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@SW-User i am vehemently opposed to allow males pretending to be females to participate in female sports.

PDXNative1986 · 36-40, MVIP

@Hinckley @SW-User as to you two, as much as I support Transwomen's right to be who they are, and I will call them by their preferred pronouns if I talk about them because I just think it's the considerate thing to do, and it's not a lot to ask for really, I share the view in that I understand that surgery can get us pretty close but can't give us a uterus or compensate for the chemical bath we got in the womb of all that testosterone, it's not that I'm not a supporter or Ally of Trans folks going in both directions, HOWEVER, I do think the demanding to be in women's sports things is a bridge too far and draw the line there as it raises issues of sportsmanship and fairness. Basic Biology can't be fully overcome. So you know, solidarity to that extent.

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