Why the biblical atheist deny God exists.

Hi atheists, tell me why you deny God exists, of course you have to first define what is God.

I am Yrger the theist, and here is my definition of God:
"God is the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient."

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yrger · 80-89, M

Hi ViciD, you say: "The physical processes controlling evolution have always existed."

That is a gratuitous statement, where did you learn that - most likely in a dream.

Evolution is not the origin of life, it presupposes the existence of life, now go backward, and see if you can arrive at the very first step which is the beginning of life, and then ultimatley you will arrive at the entity that is self-existent, it is without beginning, but it gives beginning to everything and continues to operate the process until this self-existent entity has created humans who possess reason and intelligence from this self-existent agent.

Do you now see that there is an ultimate self-existent entity that gives existence to all other instances of existence?

If you don't accept this ultimate self-existent sourse of all non-self-existing realities, what is your explanation for all things which scientists investigate, but they never arrive at an ultimate explanation.

So, you seem to know science but science is all about things which have a beginning, and it does not say that the universe exists permanently.

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ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@yrger Let me clarify.

The physical processes controlling evolution have always existed. Those processes only operate under specific conditions. When the conditions were met, the processes could operate.

Such is the same as gravity and every rule of physics.

ViciDraco · 41-45, M

@yrger

and see if you can arrive at the very first step which is the beginning of life, and then ultimatley you will arrive at the entity that is self-existent, it is without beginning, but it gives beginning to everything and continues to operate the process until this self-existent entity has created humans who possess reason and intelligence from this self-existent agent.

That is not how logic works. That is not how reasoning works. You are taking massive leaps from a domain you are aware of, through territory you have no information about, and arriving at a made up destination that makes you comfortable.

My ultimate conclusion is that there is no ultimate creator because nothing was created. I have just as much information to support my claim as you have to support yours. In fact, our best current understandings of the conservation of energy and matter supports my claim and refutes yours.

yrger · 80-89, M

@ViciDraco Hi ViciDraco, please explain this line from you

In fact, our best current understandings of the conservation of energy and matter supports my claim and refutes yours.

You use the word conservation, I ask you, ultimately who or what is conseving energy?

ViciDraco · 41-45, M

@yrger Nothing is conserving energy.

Matter and energy exist.

Matter and energy is neither created nor destroyed.

The conservation is an intrinsic property of matter and energy.

yrger · 80-89, M

@ViciDraco yrger · 80-89, M
Hi everyone and in particular atheists here, what is the fallacy of the socalled circular logic?

First, it is not a fallacy, except to atheists who do not think and act correctly.

Let us suppose that a stranger states: "The dog is similar to a wolf." Then he turns his statement around and says: "The wolf is similar to a dog."

"The dog is similar to a wolf."
"The wolf is similar to a dog."

That according to atheists who do not know how to think and to act correctly, that is the fallacy of circular logic, because the two statements do not state anything new.

Hi readers, you see, the stranger is first describing the wolf or the dog, so that another stranger who does not know what a wolf lools like or a dog looks like, he can now use the description of the dog or the wolf, now go to the objectve reality outside his mind to look for the wolf or the dog, having now known what a wolf or a dog looks like, i.e. look for the concrete existence of the dog or the wolf.

The error of atheists is that they don't go to the objcetive reality to look for evidence of God in the say neighborhood, where we can see babies and roses which are ultimately created by God.

yrger · 80-89, M

@ViciDraco

Hi DocSavage, you say: "From what I’ve read, you changed your definition again."

You are not capable of precision reading.

Tell me what is my previous definition and my present definition, otherwise I feel sorry for you because you are not capable of precision reading.

Go and acquire by practice the skill of precision reading.