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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi ViciD, can you prove tthat ultimately the universe does not have a beginning, but it changes form only?
Suppose I ask you, ultimately who operates the uinverse so that it changes its forms etc etc etc .
Now, you admit that ". . . (you) do not know . . . (You) do not have any information from that time."
If you know philosophy you will know, so learn to think philosophically.
Try thinking philosophically and answer this question from me: "Is there a self-existent entity or not, yes or no?"
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ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@yrger
They do not conclude that. They conclude that the universe in the form that we recognize it had a beginning. And that prior to that event, the universe was in a different firm that we presently presume was a singularity.
Ultimately the universe was not created. Ultimately the universe did not begin, it changed in form.
If your question is who or what caused that form to change, my answer is that we do not know. We do not have any information from that time.
Suppose I ask you, ultimately who operates the uinverse so that it changes its forms etc etc etc .
Now, you admit that ". . . (you) do not know . . . (You) do not have any information from that time."
If you know philosophy you will know, so learn to think philosophically.
Try thinking philosophically and answer this question from me: "Is there a self-existent entity or not, yes or no?"
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ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@yrger
Now, scientists conclude that the universe has a beginning.
They do not conclude that. They conclude that the universe in the form that we recognize it had a beginning. And that prior to that event, the universe was in a different firm that we presently presume was a singularity.
Ultimately the universe was not created. Ultimately the universe did not begin, it changed in form.
If your question is who or what caused that form to change, my answer is that we do not know. We do not have any information from that time.
ViciDraco · 41-45, M
@yrger I have no proof that the universe does that. Just as you have no proof that there is a spirit creator.
Philosophically, there is no logical path to a spirit creator. You are making baseless presuppositions to fill in gaps in your reasoning.
Why do you fear to not know the answers? Why do you have to make up something to fit into the gap that you do not have knowledge about?
Why don't you know logic? Why do you not know philosophical arguments beyond the obviously incorrect one that you keep repeating?
Philosophically, there is no logical path to a spirit creator. You are making baseless presuppositions to fill in gaps in your reasoning.
Why do you fear to not know the answers? Why do you have to make up something to fit into the gap that you do not have knowledge about?
Why don't you know logic? Why do you not know philosophical arguments beyond the obviously incorrect one that you keep repeating?