How man can prove God exists.

@Convivial thank you intelligent person....where did you come from?

@DIABLISS i hide a lot., best way to avoid re education ;)

@Convivial i am right there with you. i would be scared to death to meet most people here in person.

@DIABLISS they're not too bad, just opinionated lol

@Convivial i have been threatened and some of the comments have been down right crazy.

@swirlie [quote]Before your question can be answered, you must first define what "evil" means.[/quote]

Evil is that thing that the biblical God created to entrap people so that he can have an excuse to whack them upside their heads, and even kill them because he is really evil.

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) = "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

Psalm 78:49 (KJV) ="He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them."

@Diotrephes interesting, but relies on the existence of a deity that may not exist

@swirlie no, i don't actually.
Evil will be different for each and every one of us... For the bank robber the cops turning up will be evil, the hostages will have a different view...

@Convivial[quote] interesting, but relies on the existence of a deity that may not exist[/quote]
You may be late to the party. This thread revolves around the God character described in the ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale which countless people claim to believe in above anything else. They love to use the word "God" as his name, when the fairy tale plainly gives him several specific and unique names, which they would rather eat a million tons of dirt than use.

They are the ones who believe in that creature; I don't. But when discussing him I use the passages in the Bible to refute their arguments and beliefs.

You can discuss the [b][i]Tarzan[/i][/b] character without believing that he existed.

@Diotrephes true... Personally I'm a pastafarian

@Diotrephes

Quotes from Diot:
Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) = "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
Psalm 78:49 (KJV) ="He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them."


You quote bible verses, so you were a Christian fundamentalist. Hahaha.

I have always suspected that rabid atheists were veteran fundamentalist Christians.

Now I am sure, they as atheists exhibit the same fanatical heart and mind as when they were fundamentalist Christians.

Hahahaha.

@yrger [quote]Now I am sure, they as atheists exhibit the same fanatical heart and mind as when they were fundamentalist Christians.

Hahahaha.[/quote]
I was baptized as a young teen when I didn't know any better. Within a few months I tossed the fairy tale in the trash can as a belief. The more time passes my decision it seems to have been the right one for me. But I still think that the Bible is a beautifully written piece of literature and the more secular books do contain some timeless wisdom that could benefit just about everyone. But the God thing is total BS.

@Diotrephes The Bible is the worst written piece of literature i have ever read

@DIABLISS [quote]The Bible is the worst written piece of literature i have ever read[/quote]

I sincerely disagree. The writers and story tellers on the committee did a fantastic job of basing all of their stories, except for a few in the Apocrypha, on one or more of the real Ten Commandments. Now it's a fact that lots of the stories are pure non-sense but their purpose is not to make logical sense. Their purpose is to teach complete obedience and total loyalty to the Boss (God, the chief priest, the emperor, the king, and the family father). Disobedience to any of them warrants the death penalty. Do not make the mistake and think that the Bible teaches morality; it does not.

You can listen to, or read, any story in the Old and New Testament and link it to one or more of the real Ten Commandments. Do not think that the fake ones dummies like to regurgitate are the real Ten Commandments; they are not. Some stories show the benefits of obeying while others show the consequences of disobedience. It is essential to know that in order to make sense of the stories. Complicating matters is that the story tellers used countless metaphors so nothing is as it seems.

If you like you can cite some stories and I will explain them.

@Diotrephes I have read the Bible twice. i read the youth version once. then i read about the Bible and how it was written and about the horrible English translation and those are the writings that are worth reading. I hardly think i need someone else's interpretation of bad writing. and thanks for the unnecessary condescension

@DIABLISS The Bible is very hard to understand when you read the paper version because you can't make all of the connections between passages that express the same ideas.

Here's an example:
In the New Testament Jesus gave a sermon on the mount, Matthew chapters 5-7. He had two other large meetings, Matthew 14:13-23 & Matthew 15:29-39.

Which of the real Ten Commandments do those stories illustrate?

@Diotrephes the woman who used to come here is no longer living here. left for Vegas. Why i don't know. and get a life. nobody quotes scriptures anymore, unless they are mentally withered

@DIABLISS [quote]the woman who used to come here is no longer living here. left for Vegas. Why i don't know. and get a life. nobody quotes scriptures anymore, unless they are mentally withered[/quote]

I only asked the question because you had said that you had read the Bible a couple of times. IMO, that is just reading a lot of words. The Bible is a very complex book that uses a ton of metaphors and hidden references. That is why it takes a lot of time to make sense of the stories. That's why it's a good idea to engage in open discussions with a variety of people because you might be exposed to a new view that you can explore to gain more understanding of the issue.

I had trouble with algebra because I never discussed it with other kids. If I had, maybe one of them would have been able to explain a concept I was having difficulty understanding. That would have helped me a lot.

The more discussions you have with people you disagree with, the more skillful and proficient you become in presenting your own convincing argument. So, take advantage of every opportunity to further develop your skills because you never know when you will really need them.

Are you willing?