How man can prove God exists.

@swirlie

lol my dude...

I'll explain myself.

The Bible, regardless of the truth of its contents, is the name of a book and so i capitalize it in the same way i would capitalize The Lord of the Rings. LOTR is certainly a work of fiction but i capitalize it none the less.
I don't endorse the Bible as true by capitalizing it any more than i endorse my belief that Frodo helped destroy Sauron when i capitalize the books by Tolkien.

I don't capitalize god because to me it's just a concept and not a name. I [i]do[/i],however, capitalize Yahweh and Jesus because they are names.

Hope that clears up the confusion.

@swirlie

I'm happy to call it an anthology and i'm glad you're so impressed with it...but you're rather getting hung up on semantics while ignoring the point.

The point is NOT whether the Bible is a book in the traditional sense or an anthology of related stories or x,y,z.
The point is that the word "Bible" is the title by which we call this collection of stories and i therefor capitalize it as i do any other title.
So your criticism that my choice of capitalization is somehow contradictory to my beliefs about god simply falls flat.

lol Can we move past this now? It seems a very strange avenue of criticism. I'm sure i've said things much more deserving of discussion than my choice of descriptors for the Bible or my choice to capitalize it in a sentence😜

@swirlie [quote]The bible is NOT a book nor is the word Bible the name of a book. Now, you are grasping at straws.
[/quote]
So, what is the thing that is not a book called that contains the religious fairy tale people constantly talk about?

@Pikachu

Hi Pikachu, have we talked together earlier, I guess not.

Anyway, You are an atheist in regard to the god in the bible.

Consider that you don't know nothing about the bible and much less about the god described in the bible.

Now, just employing your intellgence and rational faculty and reasoning skill, how would you answer the question: ultimately what put you into existence?

I like to have a dialogue with you, is that all right?

@yrger

[quote]Consider that you don't know nothing about the bible and much less about the god described in the bible.[/quote]

I'm not sure what you mean by that.
I've read the Bible and learned about the character of god described therein. I don't think knowing more about the Bible would convince me that it was more than myth and men attributing to the supernatural that which does not require a supernatural explanation.

[quote]how would you answer the question: ultimately what put you into existence?[/quote]

If you mean how did humans come to be then the answer is evolution.
If you mean what is the ultimate origin of existence then the answer is that i don't know.

@swirlie

lol Well then i guess you and i find different things worthy of discussion.

I can't help but feel you're desperate to attack me in anyway way you can, regardless of how absurd, pedantic or trivial the criticism.
I mean, you began with the absurd canard that my choice of capitalization demonstrated an inconsistency in my beliefs and when i explained my reasoning you just moved on to arguing about whether the Bible is a book.

Think about what you've done here, swirls: asserting that my choice to capitalize Bible denotes a tacit endorsement of the veracity of the contents therein and then fighting tooth and nail to argue that the Bible is not a book...to what end? How does that validate your initial point in anyway way, shape or form?

lol you're a funny one, my dear.

@Pikachu

Hi Pika, you say:
"'m an atheist in general because i have not come across any evidence or argument which is sufficient for me to accept the claim that gods exist."


Let you and me agree that there is existence.

Existence ultimately consists of two kinds:
(a) Existence from oneself
(b) Existence from another

Existence b implicates the existence of a.

Therefore a exists, and I identify a as god, here is my definition of god:

"God is the permanent self-existent container of all things, and the creator and operator of man and the universe and everything that is not God Himself."

@yrger

Aren't you just trying to define your idea of god into existence?
How do you justify that definition as valid over other ultimate origins?

@Pikachu

Hi Pika, you say:
"If you mean what is the ultimate origin of existence then the answer is that i don't know."

That is an exemplary demonstration of humility from your part.

What about aside from your humility, you are also hard-wired to be instinctively curious about where does existence itself come from, or the origin of existence.

Then suddenly out of the blue you experience a eureka moment, you got the insight that existence consists of two kinds:
(a) Existence from oneself
(b) Exisence from another

So, you now know that the ultimate origin of existence b that is not from itself, is the existence a that is from oneself.

@yrger

Sure, but how does that get us any closer to accepting the proposition of a god rather than another eternal prime mover?

@swirlie

Are you under the impression that i've given any reason to suppose i am not an atheist?
I think you're referring to your argument that capitalizing "Bible" means i endorse the veracity of the mythology contained therein.
I have explained the error of this argument and you have not produced a rebuttal so you have necessarily conceded that point.

If you are referring to something else which you feel suggests i am not an atheist then you'll have to clarify it for me.

This is surely the most absurd, petty criticism i have heard in some time....and i am HERE for it!🤣
Keep it coming!

@swirlie

For the same reason you are pretending to have a wet pair of mittens in place of a brain?😜