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Thank you very much for this video.
I've never encountered such a thorough exploration of all the surviving texts, how they compare relative to their dates of origin, and a logical analysis of the implications.
My husband is Jewish and reads and speaks Hebrew - so I had heard about the interchangeable uses of El and Elohim in the Book of Genesis in the Torah.
To me, the widespread worship in ancient times of Asherah as the bride of God is proof that Judaism evolved and changed in proto-historial times (concurrent with cuneiform scripts). Archeologists have found thousands of small backyard shrines to Asherah throughout the tells (ancient towns) of Israel and the Middle East; it looks as though Jewish, Canaanite and Aramaic housewives regularly prayed to her.
If God commanded that his believers believe only in him, and was willing to punish them for disobedience, this suggests that he was extremely jealous of other gods. Why be jealous if he is the only god? Doesn't make any sense. So I think the leaders of the faith had a political need to gradually re-write their texts to exclude as many hints or references to other gods as possible.
I've never encountered such a thorough exploration of all the surviving texts, how they compare relative to their dates of origin, and a logical analysis of the implications.
My husband is Jewish and reads and speaks Hebrew - so I had heard about the interchangeable uses of El and Elohim in the Book of Genesis in the Torah.
To me, the widespread worship in ancient times of Asherah as the bride of God is proof that Judaism evolved and changed in proto-historial times (concurrent with cuneiform scripts). Archeologists have found thousands of small backyard shrines to Asherah throughout the tells (ancient towns) of Israel and the Middle East; it looks as though Jewish, Canaanite and Aramaic housewives regularly prayed to her.
If God commanded that his believers believe only in him, and was willing to punish them for disobedience, this suggests that he was extremely jealous of other gods. Why be jealous if he is the only god? Doesn't make any sense. So I think the leaders of the faith had a political need to gradually re-write their texts to exclude as many hints or references to other gods as possible.
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@Carazaa Ha!
Carazaa, it may not need to be convincing to you, but for me there must be factual evidence before I'll believe anything. The ancient stories written by men are nothing more than power motivated mythology. They're loosely based on real people and events, but twisted to fit a specific social agenda, one which is full of stuff that I consider immoral, dangerous, and predisposing believers to acts of hypocrisy and crime.
I am not trying to convince you or sway you to my way of thinking.
I have already told you that I am not open to being evangelised.
If you try again I will block you.
Carazaa, it may not need to be convincing to you, but for me there must be factual evidence before I'll believe anything. The ancient stories written by men are nothing more than power motivated mythology. They're loosely based on real people and events, but twisted to fit a specific social agenda, one which is full of stuff that I consider immoral, dangerous, and predisposing believers to acts of hypocrisy and crime.
I am not trying to convince you or sway you to my way of thinking.
I have already told you that I am not open to being evangelised.
If you try again I will block you.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@hartfire awesome answer
I've always thought of the bible as sort of "creeping monotheism." The whole first part of Genesis isn't really all that original and most of the stories can be found in other places, but the farther along you go, the more monotheistic it gets.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@MistyCee [quote]I rarely go here in religion[/quote]
It's not about religion, never has been or will be about religion. It's about a close relationship with our Father in Heaven. If you read Matthew 23, you see how God feels about man made organized religion.
[quote]Was the snake, or yetzer ha ha (evil inclination) that snookered Eve one of God's creatures like humans, another sort like angels, demons (or maybe Nephilim), or another deity type like Loki?[/quote]
That's a good question. It's possible that Yahweh called the devil a serpent very much like we'd call an evil person a snake.
[quote]I've heard plenty about the Trinity, but have never understood how it connects to stuff like the serpent.[/quote]
Lucifer was never a part of the trinity. He was a beautiful angel that God had created along with the other angels. Lucifer was too prideful for His own good and tried to put himself above God and left God no choice but to kick him out of Heaven along with a third of the angels that allied themselves to him. I hope this helps answer your questions.
It's not about religion, never has been or will be about religion. It's about a close relationship with our Father in Heaven. If you read Matthew 23, you see how God feels about man made organized religion.
[quote]Was the snake, or yetzer ha ha (evil inclination) that snookered Eve one of God's creatures like humans, another sort like angels, demons (or maybe Nephilim), or another deity type like Loki?[/quote]
That's a good question. It's possible that Yahweh called the devil a serpent very much like we'd call an evil person a snake.
[quote]I've heard plenty about the Trinity, but have never understood how it connects to stuff like the serpent.[/quote]
Lucifer was never a part of the trinity. He was a beautiful angel that God had created along with the other angels. Lucifer was too prideful for His own good and tried to put himself above God and left God no choice but to kick him out of Heaven along with a third of the angels that allied themselves to him. I hope this helps answer your questions.
@GodSpeed63 Thank you
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
spjennifer · 56-60, T
You do have to wonder though, in the world in the time of Jesus, man didn't travel as easily as we do now, so who's to say that the "God" of the Christian bible is "The one True God", maybe the Buddhists were right and it's Buddha, or maybe it's Vishnu. The Muslims believe in Allah, who's to say they're wrong? Christians are very self-righteous in their belief in the "One true God" but can they prove what they say, no? Neither can the Buddhists or the Hindus or anyone else who worships some God. It's all conjecture and interpretation from one as much as the other religion. Hey maybe it's Elohim or the Thetans, or Aliens, no one truly knows for certain, it may all be BS...
@spjennifer
lol don't get into it with him. In those two posts you've seen the entirety of the proof he's willing to give:
The bible says it's the word of god and it's your job to prove it's not.
Rinse and repeat.
lol don't get into it with him. In those two posts you've seen the entirety of the proof he's willing to give:
The bible says it's the word of god and it's your job to prove it's not.
Rinse and repeat.
@GodSpeed63
[quote] It's not about religion, never has been or ever will be about religion. It's about a personal relationship with our Father in Heaven.[/quote]
But god tells you how you must worship him, what you must believe in and what you must do in order to achieve a relationship with him and through that salvation....that's textbook religion...
[quote] It's not about religion, never has been or ever will be about religion. It's about a personal relationship with our Father in Heaven.[/quote]
But god tells you how you must worship him, what you must believe in and what you must do in order to achieve a relationship with him and through that salvation....that's textbook religion...
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@spjennifer Buddha isn't a god in Buddhism. He was just a man.
The Canaanites had a polytheistic religion. But Abraham worshipped what he considered the one true god. The creator of all things. He deemed those others as false "stone" gods. Gods who were nothing more than mere statues. It was believed back then that building a statue and worshipping it brought you favour from that made up god. The Jews constantly made rules against statue worship. They had stories about such things as well. The tower of Babel, the city of Jericho, the plagues of Egypt, the Ten Commandments, etc. They all talk about people worshiping these stone gods and all being let down by their false gods over the one true god of the Israelites. And why are all these stories there? Because a lot of people worshipped polytheism. Israel and Judah were very multicultural. Many of the people living there believed in other gods. Yahweh was very much the god of the Israelites and so if you weren't an Israelite you really had no reason to worship him.
@Qwerty14
[quote]The official explanation is that Elohim is both singular and plural.[/quote]
Which only really makes sense when you ignore the context of the passages in their earliest forms and the correlations to the surrounding, contemporary religions.
It may be a fringe interpretation but i just don't think it's honest to characterize it as conspiracy.
[quote]The official explanation is that Elohim is both singular and plural.[/quote]
Which only really makes sense when you ignore the context of the passages in their earliest forms and the correlations to the surrounding, contemporary religions.
It may be a fringe interpretation but i just don't think it's honest to characterize it as conspiracy.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
The earliest people of Abraham believed in many gods but only worshipped yahweh. That is why the first commandment is I am the Lord thy God though shall have no other gods before me instead of I am the one and only god. Genesis still has hints of polytheism with words like "they" etc
@JimboSaturn
Well that seems very clear.
It also seems to bring into question just how much Yahweh was actually doing in people's lives if all these other gods were believed in by other people.
I mean, if you actually have a living god who is slaughtering your enemies by the thousands and performing obvious miracles....why is anyone going to keep an Asherah pole?
Well that seems very clear.
It also seems to bring into question just how much Yahweh was actually doing in people's lives if all these other gods were believed in by other people.
I mean, if you actually have a living god who is slaughtering your enemies by the thousands and performing obvious miracles....why is anyone going to keep an Asherah pole?
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@Pikachu lol sure makes a golden calf pretty lame!
Entwistle · 56-60, M
There are as many gods as you can imagine existing. In reality there are none.
jeancolby · 31-35, F
DEUTERONOMY chapter 6, verse 4, read one god.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Harriet03 Since when did I become the father of her baby?
@GodSpeed63
[quote]There are no contradictions in the Word of God, only in your interpretation of it.[/quote]
I understand that your religion requires you to believe that.
[quote]There are no contradictions in the Word of God, only in your interpretation of it.[/quote]
I understand that your religion requires you to believe that.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@Pikachu They have to jump through hoops of illogic to not see the contradictions im the bibl just as they have to ignore facts and science to believe in it
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
No.
saintsong · 41-45, F
Demons want to be god! When I first became schizophrenic they all told me that they were god! I was like NO You’re NOT! They’re deceptive little bastards! But I wasn’t going to be fooled!
I always found it funny that God and angels have sperm in order to impregnate people.