I've just watched a lecture on why atheism doesn't work by Ravi Zacharias. I think there must be some kind of disconnect between our thinking: [Spirituality & Religion]

[quote]1) " There is no point of reference for morality".

Well i disagree. As Sam Harris argues so well, human well being is an excellent metric for morality.

2) "There is no ultimate point to life except what you give to yourself."

Well so? Why is that a bad thing? What's wrong or less worthy about finding meaning in my happiness and the happiness of my loved ones?

3) "There is no hope beyond the grave".

Well just because one doesn't believe in god doesn't necessarily mean that one doesn't believe in life beyond the grave, so that's an inaccurate characterization of atheism.
But even if there is no hope for life after death...so what? Do we choose what to believe based on what is comforting or based on what appears to be true to us? Why does this make atheism an untenable position?[/quote]

What Ravi Zacharias said was true on all three points.

1. You'd have to come with explanation on where and how humans obtained that excellent metric for morality.

2. Because it would be only temporary and not eternal. Without eternal rewards, life here will be meaningless.

3. Do you actually believe there's an after life after the grave? If you do, what's your rendition of eternal life?

1. Robert Pirsig also had some great points on this.

2. Why does my life need any more meaning than "existence?" Asking anything more just sounds selfish.

3. This is it folks. Did God say in Genesis: "Make a shitty mess of my creation (earth) Adam. Don't worry it reboots after a while and you're reborn."

The take away morality from
Abrahamic religions includes Rabbis sniffing women's undies, torturing and burning people alive forva different interpretation of a text and justifying sex slavery and pedophilia

Where would we be without it?

The theist argument always starts with the assumption that their own particular view is correct and everyone else's logic has gone astray.

Zacharias is a Christian apologist.
They are a law unto themselves that doesn't have sanction from any particular faith or church yet see themselves as presenting a rational basis for defending the faith from those who constantly point out it's failings.

One of many, sadly.

I couldn't have said it better!

Thank you for sharing. I have seen other videos by Ravi Zacharias, and have read some of his articles and books. He's is an excellent Christian apologist, and is always respectful, even to those who do not hold his position.

Dennis Prager also speaks to the idea of morality finding its reference in God. He is a conservative Jew, not a Christian.

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrcQ_PTkVD4]

It seems that a lot of people have trouble with what atheism is.

Theist arguments rarely make any sense.

Of course there is. He can think and you can't.