As an atheist, am i arrogant for rejecting the idea of god, or as a theist are you arrogant for thinking that everything was created for you? [Spirituality & Religion]

@AgapeLove

Hey, if enjoying winning is arrogance to you then call me arrogant.
But you're wrong in thinking that is my [i]only[/i] goal.

@AgapeLove

Hey, guy. Don't push your personal values on me. It would be arrogant to suppose that your values are superior to mine😁

@Native

I'm in the habit of grouping all religions together as well in certain contexts.
But of course growing up in north america means that the predominant religion i experience is christianity so i tend to think about that more often.

@Pikachu I’ve experienced Christianity the most as well, and can’t help but be militantly against it. I know not all people follow it the same, but a lot of the behavior and ideas it and the other abrahamic faiths promote are appalling. I can, with 100% certainty say that even if Yahweh exist, despite the absurd amount of contradictions and flat out false information in the Bible, that I want nothing to do with him. Sorry for the semi rant, sometimes I can’t help but be bit of an ass, especially on this topic.

@Native

No worries. Just take this gregola guy i'm talking to in another thread. Based on the bible he appears to think it is morally correct that women be submissive to men and that homosexuals be persecuted.
Yay christianity!

@LeopoldBloom

Seems like it would have to be, right?

I meant to comment that on the question and not on your comment

@millielovesapples CAn you be more specific on what there is proof for?

@millielovesapples Totally fine!

@Pikachu
Darnit :v
I gotta explain it better. If science cannot deal with something, then you cannot scientifically prove or disprove it


@QuixoticSoul I don't know about that .-.

If I know something is impossible by definition, I can prove that you cannot have it. A great example would be trying to say a colorless object is green :v
That's absolute baloney because by DEFINITION, colorless means WITHOUT color. I can prove that the breaking point of a particular structural steel beam is is at a specific pressure level, and in turn prove that it ISN'T below that level because it already exists, cannot have TWO breaking points, and is at a DIFFERENT level :v

I get what you mean in essence

@SW-User Come on, everyone understands that we are talking about things in the ontological sense.

@QuixoticSoul okay :v
I was talking about in general tbh

You're right v.v

@SW-User Paranormal activity doesn't necessarily imply the existence of God.

It could also be nothing more than your own mind playing tricks on you. Kind of like an optical illusion.

@LeopoldBloom

Or it could be that supernatural things exist but that such a thing as a creator god does not.
One does not necessitate the other.

@Pikachu Yes, that too.

Theism is the belief in a creator God or gods that are involved with the universe and man.

Deism is the belief in a creator God or gods that have had no involvement since the creation.

So I suppose there could be a belief that there is no creator God or gods, but that gods exist and are involved with us in some way. For example, extraterrestrials or some other race of beings that is more powerful than we are. It would be the way a stone age tribe would experience us surveilling them remotely and attempting to communicate with them. So it wouldn't be supernatural, only something purely material that we don't understand yet.

@JenniferB

I do ask other questions. They tend to get fewer than a dozen responses. They don't supply sufficient entertainment and stimulation.

@MasterDvdC

Well sure. You were created for god's glory.
But by "everything was created for us" i mean that the earth and the sun and the moon and blah blah blah were created to facilitate human life.

Is that not the height of arrogance?

And i don't think i'm a fool for not being convinced that a god exists on the basis that there is no good evidence that one does.
Change my mind right now. What do you think is sufficient reason to accept the claim that a god exists.

@SW-User

Well i don't think i [i]know[/i] that a god doesn't exist. I don't think a god exists because i find the evidence unconvincing. Is that arrogant?

@Pikachu In that case no, just if you assert the nonexistence of such.

@SW-User

I do not. No possible way to know for sure. I'm just not convinced of the claim.

@HoraceGreenley

That's your one, buddy😉

@HoraceGreenley IOW "There is a God, because I'm so fucking important, the most powerful being in the universe has nothing better to do than pay attention to me.

Get over yourself.