Do you believe the Truth or a lie. [Spirituality & Religion]

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]If you have trouble understanding that then that is your problem not mine.[/quote]

What gives you the impression that I don't understand that?

I'm calling you out on your pot-shots. 'tis all.

@CopperCicada Yawn. If you have nothing new to add move on. I am done responding to your silliness. If you don't understand English or the nuances of the English languages as you seem to have difficulty then let it go. You missed the point. Now go seek the Truth and you will see what I am saying. The fact you want to fight about it tells me you prefer the lie. That is your choice. Enjoy.

@hippyjoe1955 It's your own words dude. You fling so much crap you can't keep track of it.

Thank you... I am quite fine ... I am not a religious person... I am a happy woman, and I appreciate any good person in my dreams... I believe that Jesus loves me, as much as Prophets Mohammad and Moses do ....

I try to be good according to any and all religions, and I try to keep God happy with who I am...

Thanks for the invitation though... I'm honored.

@Soossie It wasn't me that offered. BTW Jesus doesn't give up that easy. Not to worry. He loves you and wants to make you His own.

Thank you... 🙏

@Justbychance What I don't want is people spreading the lie that truth is subjective. Truth is objective just as lie is objective. Just because you say it or believe it does not make it true. Just because you deny it or don't believe it does not make it a lie. You are subjective. Truth is objective. Those who deny Truth believe the lie.

@hippyjoe1955 *sigh* I'm struggling with how you open up a question without even explaining [i]exactly[/i] what it is that you mean and then answer as curtly as you do. From where did you come up with the idea that (among humanity) that truth is all-embracing in how we are given the truth? That's far from a fact and what you didn't state at the very beginning was that you are a man of Faith. I accept what may be a fact to you in what YOU believe; who am I to say you are wrong? I accept that and how you feel about that. What I struggle with is the way you somehow come up with a simplified equation of what 'Truth' itself is without even bringing other important aspects into the equation in regard to your [i]Faith[/i] and that word [i]'Grace'[/i] which seems to be of little importance to you and yet plays an important part in what you are out to prove here.

I'm not coming back to the conversation, but I wish you well. Take care :)

~F~

@Justbychance Seek the Truth and you will know. Deny the Truth and you will continue to believe the lie. The problem is you don't want to believe there is Truth likely because you are more comfortable with the lie..

@SW-User Jesus answered, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

@hippyjoe1955 I believe that he was on the right Way, had the Truth. I believe in God, and think that he was guiding people to the Way

@SW-User Jesus is God the Son. He is the Consciousness of God. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

@pedrohedgerow Then call me a liar and be done with it. Unfortunately you proved nothing. Either it is true or it is false. there is no middle ground no matter how much you protest or attempt to guild the lily. Truth stands on its own while a lie falls on its own.

@hippyjoe1955 I have no wish to call you a liar,thats not why I answered your question.I gave an answer which experiences in life have taught me,simple as.You have stood on an attitude of "I am right,because I say so".Well,sorry my friend,thats simply not good enough.I wish you well,but this conversation has passed any useful point.

@pedrohedgerow [quote]Stating the obvious is not proof of your conception of the truth over anybody elses.Further,you talk as if you are an oracle,which none of us are[/quote]

That's how he's coming over to me; he seems a very self-centred person, self opinionated by his overall demure and (some might say) lacking in people-skills that Ministers use to HELP people to understand.

I've had it with joe because he talks either in riddles, he skirts issues that head his way and his biblical definition of the 'Truth' is given by him in a way that doesn't seem suited to a person looking at his responses. As he would put it, he lives within the true 'Spirit' from where he boasts his simplistic values along with his simplistic solution and covers it all under one, single word [i]'Truth.[/i] 'The 'Truth' runs through the Bible yet takes millions of words to help scholars to understand; apparently, none of those words matter more than the single word he alone preaches.

No religious person would take part in (what is now) a debate using a single word to ram his message onwards. Imagine the Sunday services running in such a way as this thread has. He forces arguments and discrepancy purely by stopping with, and staying with, the single word which he seems to think is the ONLY word a person needs to know.

@hippyjoe1955 There you go again with your 'Truth'. You don't even know what my truth is, yet you are telling me I am living a lie. Have you stopped to consider that [b]I[/b] might believe the same as [b]you[/b]? From where to you get the idea that I 'choose' as you say I do?

The only thing I might reject what you declare may just be that I don't agree with how you are going about being a tad judgmental to some who, for all you know, don't fully understand what you are saying. It's unfair of you to come over as judgmental as you do with little-to-no substance of that which you would believe in. I think they call it 'Grace'.

@Justbychance Ah but I do know what Truth is and you deny it thus you believe the lie that there is not objective truth. Your argument is flawed. Your denial of truth does not diminish truth it enhances the lie.

@hippyjoe1955 I'm finished here; it appears you know me better than I might know myself whilst you 'know' what is right. I'm not coming back to this, so I wish you well and do take care :)

~F~

@hippyjoe1955 Ah. How very smug.

@Graylight As are you in denying the Truth.

@hippyjoe1955 You haven't even share what "the Truth" is yet. How can I deny that?

@Pikachu Seek and you find. Ask and it will be given. Knock and the door will be opened. You can not trust your human understanding to reveal it to you. Your default position is to believe the lie.

@hippyjoe1955

Can you give me a little more practical advice than that?
That sounds dangerously close to a tautology.
If i can't trust my human understanding to reveal the truth then what exactly am i supposed to understand when i've seen the truth?

@Emosaur No I am referring to Truth vs the lie. If you don't believe the Truth you will automatically believe the lie. The key is finding objective Truth and holding to it instead of believing the lie that there is subjective truth. Subjective truth does not exist. The belief in it is a form of the lie.