British people, how would you feel if Labour adopted a clear pro-remain position?

@Burnley123 no but that isn't the point. If I lied like a trooper in my private life but did so at work.. then I could expect that not to go down well.. He deliberately tried to lie to the people.. that's a very different thing.. very.. I appreciate you aren't getting that.. I think you do really, unless you are corrupt yourself, but it's serious.. if we accept lying leaders then we cannot trust them and that's vital..
This isn't about lying.. it's about standards.. if you want to live in a country where no one can trust our leaders because they lie whenever they feel like it then we may as well start hoiking in the likes of Reagan and Trump.. or dipstick idiots like Bush..

@Adaydreambeliever just a few more thoughts.. I do appreciate you feel differently... but I honestly feel that a liar is someone we cannot trust.. it smacks of Trumpet.. we seriously don't want to start that slippery slope.. If we don't fight injustice and hold our standards then we are contributing to a world where standards keep falling and no one can trust anyone else..

@Adaydreambeliever.... And on current predictions Boris will be PM in a couple of months. A man sacked as a journalist for making stories up. A man repeatedly shown to lie. He even lied in his resignation letter to Mrs May.
I'd take Corbyn over him any day.

@GeniUs I don't care that much about Brexit so long as there is not a no deal. As of parties getting into power, responding to wishes of the electorate is surely what you want. I mean, you'd be pissed off if we didn't.

Look, I'm just an activist with my own beliefs and objectives who wants to change things for the better. This is what I think and this is my strategy to make it happen

[quote]responding to wishes of the electorate[/quote] whilst not believing in them
is what puts somebody who wishes to remain in EU in charge of getting the UK out of the EU and that has not ended well. Also if you genuinely don't believe in a policy you are pushing you end up with devious routes for producing the results; see how the Tories reduced the National Deficit in 2015.

@GeniUs I wouldn't have joined Labour if I wasn't committed to the project. The question always starts from: "How can we make the world better?"

If you are a party member you can debate policy and Labour is very democratic on this, We live in such complex times though and it fucks with my head.

@thatscottishguy lol I dont even live in the UK 😂👍️

@Justenjoyit I don't need you to be for me to take shots at England😂. In fact it's often why I'm on the OP's posts.

@thatscottishguy No shit

@HerKing Yes and that is looking increasingly likely. Look at any footage of a Brexit party rally.

@Tuscan I'm not sure what you mean by credible sources , but surely the most reliable indicator was last night's results , and they showed remain parties favoured over leave parties.

@Tuscan My understanding is that Labour Brexiteers are not prepared to accept a negotiated compromise option because they think it's not what they voted for and they only want a no deal Brexit.

If this is true then that is really bad and there is also nothing to stop labour going full remain.

@RodionRomanovitch Remain has a slight lead but a second ref would be close and it would be nasty.

@SW-User Seriously though and I'm Labour member who has been canvassing. All I've got for the last month is Labour leavers and remainers who both feel betrayed and only wanna talk about frickin Brexit.

@Burnley123 😘😂... Once Capitalism is overthrown!
And yeah I know, Brexit has dominated things too much over the last couple of years.

@SW-User I'd hold you to that promise but I don't think you need to worry.

@thatscottishguy Apparently the position has been adjusted now to support a vote on any deal , but the Tories don't want a deal of any kind so that's meaningless (again). Fiddling while Rome burns.

@RodionRomanovitch I honestly hate being stuck with this lot😂.

@RodionRomanovitch Pretty much tbh. In my own little section I've been arguing that we need to change policy. Some are arguing that we need to do it now, some that we need to wait til conference (FFS) and some who think the current strategy will work in an election.

Yes, there are labour leave voters but at this stage they are not gonna go for us anyway, short of advocating a no-deal Brexit and we won't do that.

@InOtterWords well the UK have to get out of it some how because the EU will not allow anything else.

@Justenjoyit they get out of it by leaving, or another party coming in and withdrawing our democratic rights.

Quite frankly I cannot see how England will get out of it

@monte3 very very very badly. They think that the political class and 'remoaners' are the only thing preventing them from emerging in their rightful place of pixies and Union Jack coloured unicorns.

If I say I think we are even more divided than America, I know that is a big statement but I think it's true.