British people, how would you feel if Labour adopted a clear pro-remain position?

@InOtterWords How many leave voters are sticking with Labour anyway? They're losing more support this way.

@thatscottishguy I don't know, vote wasn't split by party, but needless to say there will be a large population that are.

Chances are if labour got rid of Corbyn and adopted a pro-remain stance they would have my vote

@thatscottishguy I agree with you on that. We lost only 13% to Farage from 2017 and we will never get them back anyway.

@Burnley123 13% is a large swing, but that was not all your voters who voted Brexit

@InOtterWords The getting rid of corbyn thing ain't even a starter for me.

There are a lot of issues being Brexit that I'm committed to and Corbyn is the symbol of that.

@InOtterWords We lost more to the greens and to the lib Dems. Swing to the snp too, as potty mouth might remind me.

@Burnley123 I know you are a Corbyn fan but I do think he does put many would be voters off.

@InOtterWords I canvass peole and will freely admit his is marmite. Young peopke tend to like him a lot but peopke our age and older who are not outright leftists see him as a bit of a clown.

Having said that, the Labour manifesto of 2017 was popular and there is no way we would have had that without corbyn.

@Burnley123 There's been some kind of swing to the SNP??

@InOtterWords Sorry, you are a young person, obvs. 😇

You know what I mean though. Students and twenty something professionals who are not right wing do like him. Trouble is, most of those people are remainers...

@thatscottishguy Yes. You got three more seats and Labour collapsed. We lost votes to you guys.

@Burnley123 Oh wow. Well I'm not the kind of person that normally gloats but that seems pretty embarrassing for Labour in their great old stronghold in the north.

@thatscottishguy the snp have the biggest party up there for a while and are secure for now. Labour aim is to get close to 2017 levels because hight thirties would win. A lot of work to do though.

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@thatscottishguy Lol. We need a referendum against referendums.

@InOtterWords Absolutely right. Parties should stand on policies that they think are right and not what will get them into power.

@Burnley123 and a rerun of that referendum.

@GeniUs I agree.

@InOtterWords as of your main comment: I'm totally honest about my agenda with remain liberal friends.

My main priorities are an anti austerity labour government and avoiding a no deal Brexit. Those are my red lines and everything else is negotiable. I do have a preference for remain though and if that is what people want, it makes sense to fight for that. I did vote and campaign for remain.

My frustration with hard remain voters is that they seem to have an all or nothing strategy. They won't vote for a party prepared to compromise and that risks a no deal Brexit imo.

This is what it is though and remainers should be pleased if labour comes in board because er are the only party which can form a government which is not totally committed to Brexit.

If I was a hard remainer, I'd see it as a big victory, if i got converts on the Labour left.

@GeniUs I don't care that much about Brexit so long as there is not a no deal. As of parties getting into power, responding to wishes of the electorate is surely what you want. I mean, you'd be pissed off if we didn't.

Look, I'm just an activist with my own beliefs and objectives who wants to change things for the better. This is what I think and this is my strategy to make it happen

[quote]responding to wishes of the electorate[/quote] whilst not believing in them
is what puts somebody who wishes to remain in EU in charge of getting the UK out of the EU and that has not ended well. Also if you genuinely don't believe in a policy you are pushing you end up with devious routes for producing the results; see how the Tories reduced the National Deficit in 2015.

@GeniUs I wouldn't have joined Labour if I wasn't committed to the project. The question always starts from: "How can we make the world better?"

If you are a party member you can debate policy and Labour is very democratic on this, We live in such complex times though and it fucks with my head.