@SW-User Yeah , but what would the general reaction be across the US ? Especially when you consider that only 18% of Americans support the type of blanket ban that Alabama just passed.
@GeistInTheMachine I don't think it's funny. :/ But yeah, you're probably right.
Though, at this point, a war would be an upgrade for Venezuela, seems to me. I dunno about a war with Iran, though. Trump sold them massive amounts of military equipment, didn't he?
Abortions are legal ,,they are working now to make them illegal again except for Rape and Incest They are trying to stop abortion on demand especially if tax dollars pays for it
@rckt148 Tax dollars don’t pay for them. That’s an old fight. But abortions will never stop, only safe ones will. Women and girls will start dying again. 😞
@bijouxbroussard actually ,respectfully ,I may be wrong as to who is paying the majority ,but i'm know I'm not about the cost in Northern Florida you can still get them if you know where for $400,00 ,and the clinics are funded by the state I believe ,,but its still under planned parenthood Someone is picking up the rest of the tab
@rckt148 Planned Parenthood receives a lot of private donations, and a lot of their work involves basic healthcare (like Pap smears, cancer screenings) and contraception, for both men and women, even prenatal care for low income women. I know this because it was one of the places I volunteered as a young woman. Abortions are a small percentage of what they do, relatively speaking, and they were able to keep their costs for all services very low.
@Stillwaiting [quote]This wasn't an issue I pressed much before, despite generally disagreeing with abortion, when it was limited to the time before the fetus was viable. The laws changed in VA and NYC and being looked at elsewhere go beyond what I believe is defendable for a woman's right to choose purposes.[/quote] Both of those states only allowed for post-viability abortions in case of emergencies or non-viability.
@QuixoticSoul they also significantly reduced limitations to obtain right to do so .. down to single practitioner vs three agreeing mother's health in jeopardy .. makes it easier to abuse, like doctors that are habitual prescribers or opiods and other schedule drugs ..the rights were already there, only one reason to change the thresholds
Further proof that society is regressing. But the left would be as much to blame for it as the right, for being so fanatical and out of touch with reality that conservatives look smart and reasonable by comparison. Such is the way the cycle goes, I guess.
That the law-makers who truly hate girls and women have won. And they’ll start dying again, like they did [b]before[/b] Roe v. Wade. It’ll probably take the death of some politicians’ daughters before it’ll be revisited.
@Stillwaiting You can’t abort a baby at birth ! We can deliver babies and incubate them much earlier than before ! The “pro-life” lobby doesn’t even [b]try[/b] to make sense with their lies...🤦🏽♀️
@bijouxbroussard NY and VA significantly loosened limitations on getting approval for 3rd trimester abortion, allowed Phys Assts / Nurse Practitioners to perform abortions instead of doctors. There were calls for even more by those supporting the changes, which are a step toward that goal as the rights already existed in both states.
@Stillwaiting 33 states have already banned LTAs, even to save a woman’s life. According to the AMA, they shouldn’t even be considered unless her life is in danger [b]and[/b] the fetus has “serious anomalies incompatible with life”. Admittedly, late term abortion is not a hill I’m willing to die on, both the CDC and the Charlotte Lozier Institute say the percentage in the states that don’t ban them is 1.3% of all abortions. I admit it sounds pretty barbaric. I have witnessed abortions done in the first trimester that were basically a matter of retrieving cells. Ironically, the so-called “prolife” want to ban [b]all[/b] abortions based upon that 1.3%, including access to the pill (mifepristone). Yet some don’t believe pregnancy occurs often enough as a result of rape (5% to 6.4%) to justify that exception.
@Stillwaiting No, we don’t have that problem in America - pretty much every mainstream pro-choice opinion (including Roe vs Wade) includes a viability caveat, which is why outside of medical emergencies the line is typically drawn at the end of the second trimester.
@QuixoticSoul NY and VA changed laws to loosen 3rd trimester stipulations, loosen other stipulations, broaden who can perform. The bar is being moved to make it easier to obtain a 3rd trimester abortion and make it so Phys Assts and Nurse / Practitioners can perform. No other need for it given allowances already in place.
@Stillwaiting Phys Assts and Nurse can't [i]authorize[/i] it, and that's the part that matters anyway. There might be less barriers, but the justifications aren't changed - and in those circumstances, the less barriers the better.
Third trimester abortions are fucking serious business, they're not done lightly, and are traumatic enough that people who want to abort do so long before when it's as easy as taking a pill. You're making a boogie man out of this situation, for no real reason.
@FreestyleArt Say you had a 12yr old daughter who was raped and impregnated by an uncle or other family member. Would you want your child to be forced to carry for nine months and then give birth to that baby ?
