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QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@daisymay 😂🤷♂️👍
hertoy · 70-79, M
I believe you are both misinformed & misunderstanding both empathy & conservatism. Conservatism is an ideology based on the constitution, self responsibility, and national freedoms and little to do with empathy. Conservatism doesn't deal with emotions, but facts, realities, and the overall good of the people.
bijouxbroussard · F
@daisymay And that’s why they’re allowing Trump to attack a free press, the Bill of Rights in general, due process...heck, even the First Amendment—where are all those “free speech” conservatives now that Trump wants to be able to sue people for making fun of him ? 🤦🏽♀️
So much for conservatives and the Constitution.
So much for conservatives and the Constitution.
PoetryNEmotion · F
@hertoy I know. I am well aware. I am just stating my opinion. These political muckymucks never cause anything but arguments that never get resolved. I rarely participate in them. I am Canadian. I may jump into a fray...But not into the Americans' politics.
bijouxbroussard · F
@hertoy I’m not being rude to you. But you say things that may only possibly be true in your world, among your crowd. They aren’t the reality of the conservatives who still support Donald Trump. There is even a running tally of the times he has blatantly lied, or said something on the record that he turned around and denied having said. Trump holds rallies demonizing the other political party—the POTUS—the US, not just the GOP actually takes time away from the job holding partisan rallies ? How is that unemotional ? Where is the reasoned debate, even, with the [b]President[/b] just calling people names like a child ?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@helenS Chracter traits and mental faculties do have a lot to do with political opinions. There is a reason why the best predictor of whether someone will be a liberal or a conservative is their level of fear response to stimuli.
PlumBerries · 31-35, F
PlumBerries · 31-35, F
PlumBerries · 31-35, F
We used to have a thing called compassionate conservatism, although it's not much in Vogue these days and the people who championed it seem to be "thems" who need to be "owned" or vanquished along with liberals.
If I had to guess, I'd say it's a developed high tolerance for cognitive dissonance, along with a lot of time spent in bubbles.
If I had to guess, I'd say it's a developed high tolerance for cognitive dissonance, along with a lot of time spent in bubbles.
daisymay · 51-55, T
@MistyCee
What allies can there possibly be from the population of people who wish to see me dead?
Defectors? You mean the people that were stupid enough to vote for Trump in the first place or enabled it in any way or the people whose sole mission when voting is to "stick it to the libs"? No thanks.
I know enough history to know that the enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend and giving them more power by eliminating a common foe isn't always a good thing.
When the transphobic people on the left start demanding my execution, then I will be against them, too.
What allies can there possibly be from the population of people who wish to see me dead?
Defectors? You mean the people that were stupid enough to vote for Trump in the first place or enabled it in any way or the people whose sole mission when voting is to "stick it to the libs"? No thanks.
I know enough history to know that the enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend and giving them more power by eliminating a common foe isn't always a good thing.
When the transphobic people on the left start demanding my execution, then I will be against them, too.
daisymay · 51-55, T
@MistyCee [quote]What about people who don't want to kill you[/quote]
I highly doubt those people exist in the USA political right. They'd be like a unicorn. Regardless, they support those who do wish me dead. They vote for them 100% of the time. When a person who doesn't want to kill LGBT people is up against one who does, they vote for the wanna-be-murderer every time. Without fail.
[quote]Or folks who want to cure you by reading the Bible to you?[/quote]
This one is easy. That would be an affront to me and tantamount to assault.
[quote]Can't we find some common ground with the no killing folks, or the pro lifers?[/quote]
No. You cannot find common ground with pro-lifers on the abortion issue. There is none. They want abortion outlawed completely, in all cases of pregnancy. I already address the go-along-to-get-along "no killing folks" (if they even exist).
What I'm trying to say is that I do not entertain having conservatives in my orbit at all. Not friends. Not family. It's a war alright, and I will go down fighting.
I highly doubt those people exist in the USA political right. They'd be like a unicorn. Regardless, they support those who do wish me dead. They vote for them 100% of the time. When a person who doesn't want to kill LGBT people is up against one who does, they vote for the wanna-be-murderer every time. Without fail.
[quote]Or folks who want to cure you by reading the Bible to you?[/quote]
This one is easy. That would be an affront to me and tantamount to assault.
[quote]Can't we find some common ground with the no killing folks, or the pro lifers?[/quote]
No. You cannot find common ground with pro-lifers on the abortion issue. There is none. They want abortion outlawed completely, in all cases of pregnancy. I already address the go-along-to-get-along "no killing folks" (if they even exist).
What I'm trying to say is that I do not entertain having conservatives in my orbit at all. Not friends. Not family. It's a war alright, and I will go down fighting.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
daisymay · 51-55, T
How is my paraphrase different than what you wrote? Regardless of the phrasing, the first part is what they have done to me over the last 40+ years. Now, it is my duty to ensure the second part of the Golden Rule is applied.
midnightrose · F
@daisymay It's different because your focus is in a different place. You say you believe in the Golden Rule, but you aren't applying it if you don't treat others as [b][i]you[/i][/b] want to be treated, rather than how they've treated you. You are holding them against the rule, but not holding yourself to it. I see where your logic is coming from. If they have treated you this way, it would follow that's how they want to be treated. But that just isn't how it works. If people have mistreated you they haven't applied the Golden Rule. Simple as that. No person would desire to mistreat themselves. And that's really the point of the Golden Rule.
daisymay · 51-55, T
@midnightrose [quote]But that just isn't how it works[/quote]
I'm pretty sure it is. It's definitely supposed to be. It's written into the rule itself.
You are talking about people who claim to be the most devout and religious. By default, they are following the Golden Rule. As an experiment, ask one of them sometime if they know the Golden Rule and feel they follow it.
I'm pretty sure it is. It's definitely supposed to be. It's written into the rule itself.
You are talking about people who claim to be the most devout and religious. By default, they are following the Golden Rule. As an experiment, ask one of them sometime if they know the Golden Rule and feel they follow it.
Perhaps empathy is only perceived to be a fundamental human quality to certain people/groups. The fact of the matter is what makes something considered human is not a specific emotional trait but physiological and biological facts. A human walks upright, has the ability to use and create tools, has a higher functioning brain, develops languages and writing. Empathy is a learned behavior as is fear, hate, compassion, integrity, etc. If someone does not teach these things, they will not be known or understood. Humans place different values on different learned behaviors. While some believe it's okay for their child to be disrespectful to people, others believe that child needs to be taught manners and respect. The decision for this behavior will have a huge impact on this child's future (just an example off the cuff).
What someone does and doesn't believe on any subject does not remove them from being a member of the human race. It just means they think and believe differently from others. How terrible would this planet be if everyone agreed and believed the same ways.
What someone does and doesn't believe on any subject does not remove them from being a member of the human race. It just means they think and believe differently from others. How terrible would this planet be if everyone agreed and believed the same ways.
@daisymay Yes. But it is also learned. While an infant has the innate capacity, it must be developed by their environment. As humans, we are born with a great capacity for many things but it's learning and utilizing them that we struggle with.
daisymay · 51-55, T
@Pinkstarburst I hypothesize that those with strong lizard brains lack the innate capacity to learn empathy.
luckranger71 · 51-55, M
midnightrose · F
midnightrose · F
@daisymay That's your experience. Others have a different experience.
Empathy means the experience of [b]understanding[/b] another person's thoughts, feelings, and condition from his or her point of view, rather than from one's own.
I'm not sure where you're coming from in the thought that conservatives are not human except to imply that they aren't empathetic. I just cannot agree with that statement as applying to conservatives as a whole. Nor can I agree that all liberals possess this trait.
To answer your question of how can conservatives be considered human, it is by their ability to be understanding as mentioned in the above definition. This understanding does not mean they have to agree with said person.
Empathy means the experience of [b]understanding[/b] another person's thoughts, feelings, and condition from his or her point of view, rather than from one's own.
I'm not sure where you're coming from in the thought that conservatives are not human except to imply that they aren't empathetic. I just cannot agree with that statement as applying to conservatives as a whole. Nor can I agree that all liberals possess this trait.
To answer your question of how can conservatives be considered human, it is by their ability to be understanding as mentioned in the above definition. This understanding does not mean they have to agree with said person.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
CopperCicada · M
daisymay · 51-55, T
@CopperCicada [quote]I know conservatives who hate Trump. Even conservatives who hate the GOP.[/quote]
I know people like that, too. They're angry that Hillary isn't in jail, the wall isn't built, and that he hasn't issued a call to purge liberals from the nation yet.
I know people like that, too. They're angry that Hillary isn't in jail, the wall isn't built, and that he hasn't issued a call to purge liberals from the nation yet.
CopperCicada · M
@daisymay Actually... most people I've met aren't the caricatures we get on the internet. Right or left.
There actually was a conservatism before Trump. Before Limbaugh, Beck. Hannity. Alex Jones. Before Paul Ryan. McConnell. Before anti anti-Obama and anti-Hillary shit.
I got no beef with them.
I love my conservative friends.
I respect the ones who are genuinely conservative by principle and not just political sycophants.
There actually was a conservatism before Trump. Before Limbaugh, Beck. Hannity. Alex Jones. Before Paul Ryan. McConnell. Before anti anti-Obama and anti-Hillary shit.
I got no beef with them.
I love my conservative friends.
I respect the ones who are genuinely conservative by principle and not just political sycophants.
popmol · 22-25, M
dpends on how you see your empathy. left is often in the direction of everyone needs to to get equal while right its predicated on the strong get the stuff and the rest gets the scraps. both have merit. and left would say ooh this poor person is dying but i think a right wing like conservatives would say humanity is better for it. which technically is true. loads of medical illnesses and special things keep going on because we have pills to keep us healthy while normally their heart would stop if its a heart defect and never be able to have children to set forth it.
in this case it seems left is more for quantity while right is quality.
in this case it seems left is more for quantity while right is quality.
bijouxbroussard · F
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
Who says empathy is a fundamental human value?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vs41JrnGaxc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vs41JrnGaxc
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