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I Am American (southern)

im watching an episode of switched at birth where the black students at a college due to racism. they have some reaonable demands and some kinda crazy but one that sticks out in my mind. is demanding a building being renamed cause it was named for a slave owner. its crazy if we renamed every building or place named for slave owners or had a slave owners name on it. we would be renaming several monuments, colleges including a black college, airports, hospitals etc.

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luckylidia · F

@Mountainlady16: did you even read the Lincoln Douglass Debates? Try it, you might find it enlightening what Lincoln said about slavery. Remember also that South Carolina tried to secede before Lincoln took office. States rights? Seriously? The South made it about States rights and Lincoln made it a constitutional issue that once a part of the union always a part. That's why he fought. He said slavery could continue where it already was...read LD. No slavery in new territories but the South was so paranoid that slaves would be taken away. Again read the 5th. They would have had to be paid for them. And of course I know what the 2nd says. That's not the point. The point is that even if the 2nd was repealed...it'll never happen...the government doesn't have the money to satisfy the 5th. They didn't in 1861 and they don't now. The only parallel with gay marriage is that back then you had living human beings that had less rights than white people. Now we have living human beings that we legally discriminate against by doing things like preventing gay marriage or paying women less than men for the same job. I'm a Daughter of the Confederacy and I'm bloody well ashamed that the South went to such lengths, calling it states rights to have the right to keep people as slaves. That's what your precious States rights was...owning people. Use whatever euphemism you like but supporting the States rights argument supports discrimination. I wonder...can you name one time, even once, that States rights was used as a rationale for anything that helped everyone? I bet you can't.

P.S. Grant? Really? I think he wore a blue suit, whatever his personal feelings and being from Illinois...ummmm, yeah.

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luckylidia · F

@Mountainlady16: Oh, sweetie pie, now you're grasping. If you like we can dig out every bad thing that every leader's done. John Quincy Adams had fits of suicidal depression and helped Monroe steal Florida. Pierce forced Perry to threaten to burn Japanese cities. Clinton ornamented a girl's dress and bombed a country to distract us from it and Trump is...Trump. Kennedy fooled around with girls in the White House pool. Wilson was a raving racist. TR founded national parks...after clearing all the Native Americans out. I bet if we looked hard enough we could find things about you and I. So lets take the names off of all of our buildings and call them Building 1 and Building 2. Or maybe, when someone feels uncomfortable because she has to go to a school that celebrates the guy that held her great great great great grandmother as a slave...maybe we should respect her discomfort. I know I know, we don't know the dude her school was named after did that but nevertheless why not just be polite and understanding. Like I said, I'm a Daughter of the Confederacy and I'm trying to learn so that I don't make my ancestors mistakes. Remember them, learn from them, know as much as I can about them but never ever ever celebrate them. Feel whatever you like about that. I'm done.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@luckylidia: everyones ancestors had something done to them. my ancestors were run out of germany for their beliefs. leaving such an effect on us even today some the more conservative groups in our church still doesnt wear buttons on their clothing or grow mustaches due to german soldiers did both. what if i went to a school named for general sherman but his troops burned down my familys home and murdered my ancestors youngest brother. should i demand that they change my schools name? what if as a cherokee on my dads side i feel offended by going to a school named for andrew jackson? the man who signed the order that sent thousands of cherokee indians on a death march?

luckylidia · F

@Mountainlady16: 1. General Sherman DID burn down my ancestor's home. 2. Right now you're in it just for the argument and that's why I said I'm done. You're not into this about right and wrong anymore, you're looking to stoke fires and I'm not into that.

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you cant change history by forgetting about it or pretending it didn't happen or erasing it..
if it's that offensive, go to a different school..

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Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@luckylidia: so should we rename everything named after jefferson or washington too. and the civil wasnt about slavery btw.

luckylidia · F

@Mountainlady16: No, it wasn't about slavery, it was about ignorance. If any of the southerners had actually read the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, they'd have come across that Fifth Amendment thing...something the NRA gun freaks could do these days. If slaves really were property, like SCOTUS said in Dred Scott, then before the government freed any of them, they'd have to be paid fair market price for them. Just like if anyone wanted to take guns today. The government didn't have then and doesn't have now the money for that kind of thing so the Civil War was a complete exercise is futile, ignorant idiocy. That's what I get for listening in my University history classes. I read the constitution. Now, I'm sure you're going to rant about some government does what government wants kind of thing but remember that's why we have courts and a House and a Senate to prevent things like that from happening.

As for renaming places...some should some shouldn't. Washington, Jefferson, Madison and the rest, heck no, they're founding fathers. But the rebels, the traitors to their country, especially the people who rebelled in a power grab that was constitutionally unnecessary...get rid of them. Just like we don't celebrate Benedict Arnold...or did you go go Benedict Arnold Elementary School?

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@luckylidia: no i went to a private mennonite school. and the whole taking guns away is also against the 2nd ammendment. the war was about states right lincoln made it about slavery. states rights an issue that is still happening today though now its about thing like gay marriage laws and education. you were just ranting about thomas jefferson and his slave sleeping together. if you want to talk about the people that screwed over another race lets rename anything named for andrew jackson and Grant too. or does only blacks matter

FunJennyGurl · T

Uhhhmmm, did I not read somewhere about Thomas Jefferson and his slaves and how he fathered some children by a slave? Why not stop at confederate monuments? We need to erase the history of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington to start with because they owned slaves if we are being politically correct.

Slavery is history. No one is due reparations and we should not be erasing selective history. There were as many slaves in the north and was in the south.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@FunJennyGurl: and the blacks tend to forget that almost every miniority in the us has been mistreated at one time or another by the federal government. some was even worse than slavery

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@luckylidia: no i'm pointing out that you act like only blacks got mistreated and only feelings matter. and yes while my ancestor was away fighting in the confederate army with 2 of his brothers neither of which made it home. sherman's troops burned down my ancestors home and killed his only brother who wasnt old enough to be in the army a boy of 12. and im part cherokee on my dads side and you dont see us whiining about places named for andrew jackson who signed the order to send our ancestors on a death march do you?

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Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@luckylidia: really you can tell you had a liberal yankee history education. and you still arguing for blacks and ignore how native americans HAD IT A HELL ALOT WORSE. and you know what my family does still own least part of the old place. do you realize that freed blacks in the north were often treated worse than slaves in the south?

luckylidia · F

@Mountainlady16: Liberal Yankee Education? HAHAHAHAHA in backwoods Texas? How is it living in Klan world? Is it nice and comfortable? You just keep on drinking the Kool-Aid and telling yourself that slavery was great for the slaves, that they wanted it. You keep revelling in you antebellum filth because one day really soon, you're going to realize that German-Americans like you and I are the minority in this country. And maybe having a black president isn't such a big deal. And if you don't like it, you can go back to Nazi Germany where you and your white pride dingbats belong. Sieg Heil, Douchebag.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@luckylidia: im mix of a few things not just german American. im not a white pride person im just not one to ignore history. and you act like only blacks feelings matters not native americans or any other race that the us government mistreated. no slavery wasnt great but blacks in the north faced homelessness, violence, starvation and many other things. here i have a book for you to read American Adventure #19 riot in the night. that will give you a view of what life for freed blacks was like. and i had no problem with the fact obama was black my issue was he was a muslim loving, proabort, progay, antichristian idiot who destroyed our country. he divided the country even more. and oh lets not forget stood up on national tv one morning and offended the entire south

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