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I Am American (southern)

im watching an episode of switched at birth where the black students at a college due to racism. they have some reaonable demands and some kinda crazy but one that sticks out in my mind. is demanding a building being renamed cause it was named for a slave owner. its crazy if we renamed every building or place named for slave owners or had a slave owners name on it. we would be renaming several monuments, colleges including a black college, airports, hospitals etc.

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luckylidia · F

@Mountainlady16: did you even read the Lincoln Douglass Debates? Try it, you might find it enlightening what Lincoln said about slavery. Remember also that South Carolina tried to secede before Lincoln took office. States rights? Seriously? The South made it about States rights and Lincoln made it a constitutional issue that once a part of the union always a part. That's why he fought. He said slavery could continue where it already was...read LD. No slavery in new territories but the South was so paranoid that slaves would be taken away. Again read the 5th. They would have had to be paid for them. And of course I know what the 2nd says. That's not the point. The point is that even if the 2nd was repealed...it'll never happen...the government doesn't have the money to satisfy the 5th. They didn't in 1861 and they don't now. The only parallel with gay marriage is that back then you had living human beings that had less rights than white people. Now we have living human beings that we legally discriminate against by doing things like preventing gay marriage or paying women less than men for the same job. I'm a Daughter of the Confederacy and I'm bloody well ashamed that the South went to such lengths, calling it states rights to have the right to keep people as slaves. That's what your precious States rights was...owning people. Use whatever euphemism you like but supporting the States rights argument supports discrimination. I wonder...can you name one time, even once, that States rights was used as a rationale for anything that helped everyone? I bet you can't.

P.S. Grant? Really? I think he wore a blue suit, whatever his personal feelings and being from Illinois...ummmm, yeah.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@luckylidia: grant allowed thousands of native amercians to be murdered during his term in office that was my comparission and andrew jackson signed the indian removal act. or do you forget the people who the federal government pretty much systematically murdered for their land. thats why i said at the end or does blacks only matter.

luckylidia · F

@Mountainlady16: Oh, sweetie pie, now you're grasping. If you like we can dig out every bad thing that every leader's done. John Quincy Adams had fits of suicidal depression and helped Monroe steal Florida. Pierce forced Perry to threaten to burn Japanese cities. Clinton ornamented a girl's dress and bombed a country to distract us from it and Trump is...Trump. Kennedy fooled around with girls in the White House pool. Wilson was a raving racist. TR founded national parks...after clearing all the Native Americans out. I bet if we looked hard enough we could find things about you and I. So lets take the names off of all of our buildings and call them Building 1 and Building 2. Or maybe, when someone feels uncomfortable because she has to go to a school that celebrates the guy that held her great great great great grandmother as a slave...maybe we should respect her discomfort. I know I know, we don't know the dude her school was named after did that but nevertheless why not just be polite and understanding. Like I said, I'm a Daughter of the Confederacy and I'm trying to learn so that I don't make my ancestors mistakes. Remember them, learn from them, know as much as I can about them but never ever ever celebrate them. Feel whatever you like about that. I'm done.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@luckylidia: everyones ancestors had something done to them. my ancestors were run out of germany for their beliefs. leaving such an effect on us even today some the more conservative groups in our church still doesnt wear buttons on their clothing or grow mustaches due to german soldiers did both. what if i went to a school named for general sherman but his troops burned down my familys home and murdered my ancestors youngest brother. should i demand that they change my schools name? what if as a cherokee on my dads side i feel offended by going to a school named for andrew jackson? the man who signed the order that sent thousands of cherokee indians on a death march?

luckylidia · F

@Mountainlady16: 1. General Sherman DID burn down my ancestor's home. 2. Right now you're in it just for the argument and that's why I said I'm done. You're not into this about right and wrong anymore, you're looking to stoke fires and I'm not into that.