Islamic terrorism

@Richard65 Not sure about the Afghanistan bit there; Iraq was a total disaster and we can blame Hamas for the deaths in Gaza. The Israelis warned the civilians when they were going to attack and Hamas ordered them to remain in their homes and denied them shelter in the miles of underground tunnels.
were there tens of thousands of children killed in Afghan by the west? It seems an awful lot worse now under the Terrorists.
We should have left Saddam in charge in Iraq though - although the Kurds might not agree.

@MandyMitchell we'll just agree to disagree on many of those points, but the disaster of Afghanistan is launching a full scale invasion without understanding the culture or having an exit strategy. That country will be a mess for decades to come.

@Richard65 We can't disagree on Gaza - facts are facts.
Afghanistan was a taliban controlled hell hole before the invasion and has reverted to one after. Expecting the Afghans to accept a western invader with open arms was foolish - no reading of history there.

@MandyMitchell we can disagree on Gaza, and we are doing. Let's leave it at that.

@Richard65 What is there to disagree about? there was peace, the terrorists broke it, the Israelis retaliated; Hamas uses people as human shields. These are facts.

@MandyMitchell well, saying there was peace isn't a fact, and you're completely wrong in that respect. The others are isolated facts without context. Nothing happens in a vacuum. As Israeli spokesperson Eylon Levy once said when he threatened a UK journalist during a TV interview, "I'm warning you, don't you DARE try to talk about context..."

@Richard65 they are facts. facts are facts- there is no excuse for what Hamas did - and no sane, reasonable person can support them.

@MandyMitchell see, now you're refusing to engage with my points. That's why I told you to leave it. You said there was peace, as if that was a fact. There wasn't peace at all, so your first "fact" is completely wrong.

@Richard65 Was there fighting? No - so there was peace. were the Israelis bombing Gaza before the 5,000 rockets, teh rapes and massacres? No - Hamas started this round of bloodshed and hides behind civilians.

@MandyMitchell your very simplistic view of an extremely complex situation tells me you have a very limited understanding of the issues, Mandy. I'm trying to be polite, but you're not really qualified to offer an opinion on this. But I know you'll continue to do so.

@Richard65 Actually the present situation is very simple and you are using smoke and mirrors to defend terrorism. there was peace; the terrorists attacked, murdered, raped and tortured, massacred and ran, hiding behind civilians. Israel retaliated: that's the sequence of events; those are solid historical facts. Your comment that I am not qualified to offer an opinion is interesting as you have no knowledge of my qualifications and experience.

@MandyMitchell I was judging you off your simplistic remarks, which do you no credit, irrelevant of your qualifications. Your answers alone are ample evidence.

@Richard65 In other words- only people who agree with your anti-semitic views are allowed an opinion? How arrogant!
Remind me - who started this present round of bloodshed?

@MandyMitchell [quote]We can't disagree on Gaza - facts are facts.[/quote]

You should start by accepting that you don't have the facts.

With the exception of Israel's right wing, and the the US Evangelicals, it is universally accepted that while Hamas has initiated the Gaza war, with its indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, what followed is universally condemned as a slaughter of children and the unarmed. Even the US had to "abstain", allowing the last UN resolution to pass. These are the facts.

In addition, we, the US, caused the worldwide refugee crisis and spreading of extremism, with our invasion of Iraq. That's another.

But fee free to spread your hated and opinions as facts.

@Richard65 Then again,thats done in our name,we are the good guys.Too much not being patriotic and looking to blame your own country.

@Northwest I have no hesitation in stating I hate, abhor and despise terrorists.
As you say, Hamas started this horror!

@Northwest If Hamas (backed by Iran) had not fired their rockets from hospitals, and had allowed civilians to evacuate or shelter in the tunnels the death toll would be far less.

@MandyMitchell [quote]despise terrorists[/quote]

A strawman, trying to position your statement as anti-terrorism. It is not.

[quote]As you say, Hamas started this horror![/quote]

Wr started the horror of the Iraq invasion as well. So, are you saying that we're responsible for the worldwide terrorism that followed?? On second thought, perhaps you're right.

@MandyMitchell [quote]If Hamas (backed by Iran) had not fired their rockets from hospitals, and had allowed civilians to evacuate or shelter in the tunnels the death toll would be far less.[/quote]

Keep on tap dancing.

@Northwest or keep telling the truth, which you prefer not to believe

@MandyMitchell [quote] or keep telling the truth, which you prefer not to believe[/quote]

You an be more specific and point to a SINGLE point I raised that is a fact. But you can't, can you?

@Northwest Did you raise any point that was a fact?
Mine all were.

@MandyMitchell [quote]Did you raise any point that was a fact?
Mine all were.[/quote]

Circular logic. Look it up.

@MandyMitchell Facts indeed!

@MandyMitchell “No sane, reasonable person can support them.” Correct!