Do you think adoption of EV will be success or failure? Will eventually became replacement for combustion engine car and become mainstream?

@MrBrownstone well nothings changed since the early 1900, so we better not try anything at all. What a pessimistic no guts effort.

@Zeusdelight You want to try to improve slavery?

@Lanyx Exactly - if you want to charge faster you have to supply more electricity to the charging device, but that's not all. The battery module in the vehicle has to be capable of accepting a higher rate of charge, and the electronics managing the process have to be able to deal with it and all the risks of high-energy flows into inherently dangerous battery cells.

Plus if you have a 1 MW power feed to a bank of 10 chargers, and one car is hooked up, that car might be to get 250 to 350 KW, but if 10 cars are hooked up, the average that each car can get is only 100 KW.

That doesn't take into account losses (I'd average that at 10 percent in total), so a 1 MW feed is typically only 900 KW once all the energy losses are considered, so that's only 90 KW delivered to each of the ten vehicles, and because of those own vehicles electrical losses it could only be putting 80 KW actually into the batteries.

So once the total power capacity of the main feed is reached, the time to charge each connected vehicle goes up. And for the charging site operator, if it gets charged for electricity used on a demand basis, that cost has to get recovered from owners of vehicles that want to charge at that charging operator's sites to make the whole business of running EV charging sites profitable.

Anytime there is a profit motive, someone else has to make a loss, and that's the EV owners getting slugged to cover all the costs of the charging site operator.

@zonavar68 I have worked in that industry for a year, so I know how it works. By writing 1mW (one milli-watt) I'm assuming you meant to write 1MW (one Mega-watt). The fastest you can charge is 5C: (5x battery capacity, or in 12 minutes. However, this is very, very bad for the battery's health. You then need to worry about thermal management as Lithium batteries can generate a positive feedback loop where heat generates more heat. Once they catch fire, its hyper difficult to extinguish them, as they produce all 3 sides of the fire triangle themselves.

I would recommend charging for 5 hours at 0.2C. 1C is the ampere-hour rating of the battery, and we are talking about current here.

@Lanyx Yes I'm aware that fires where the lithium battery material is rapidly decomposing due to heat being over about 250 deg C result in the cells feeding the fire with oxygen (and extremely flammable and toxic gases) which is why they burn so hot (2000+ dec C), and cannot be extinguished by smothering.

The only ways to stop the fire are cool it to stop the battery decomposition from happening, or let it burn itself out. I had heard someone mention '5c' in another discussion elsewhere. I was a volunteer firey for 21 years until about 2 years ago and while I had not seen an EV fire I'd seen plenty of normal car fires and they are fairly easy to deal with. At the time we were getting regular training updates about EV fires involving the battery module though.

@Zeusdelight 🤔Natural Gas it is!

@Iwillwait Well, it would seem unlikely a fossil fuel mined resource could be an answer.

@KingofBones1 Here in NSW there are now $2200 fines for a non-EV 'blocking' an EV parking space, or for an EV parking in such and not 'plugging in'. I wonder if you can just park an EV in an EV spot, plug it in, but just don't enable charging... Maybe the reverse should apply when EV owners deliberately interfere with non-EV owners accessing fuel, etc.