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Mona73 · 46-50, F
So I had a discussion about this with a guy I know. He said women become this way because of the decisions they make, and if they wanted to be treated like those delicate little roses, they should act like delicate little roses. I argued that no one is just born that strong and independent. Women, especially, usually become strong and self reliant to the point of being unable or unwilling to let someone else provide for them because of a lifetime of being forced to be strong and self reliant, because of never really having anyone to fall back on or repeatedly falling back on someone only to be let down ...HARD. His opinion is that it is still the woman's fault for making the wrong choices. To a certain extent, I will concede that he is right. Some of us choose to marry abusive men. Some of us choose to make babies with men who can't be bothered and choose to be fierce enough to raise children on our own and things like that. BUT, there are also those who are abandoned or abused by our parents, those who live out their childhoods bouncing from one foster home to another, those who never had any kind of female role model, those who've struggled and fought their whole lives, who've been taught from birth that no one is going to look out for you, but YOU. Those whose choices have mainly been made based on survival. I mean, does a 14 year old girl who is homeless because she ran away from abuse really have the luxury and/or ability of thinking about who she wants to bein 20 years and making decisions accordingly or are her decisions driven by surviving the now? I'm not talking about anyone in particular. We all know that the world can be really cruel to girls in many different ways. This is very generalized and there are more hypothetical situations than I can count, but I would like opinions please, if anyone has any.
Dreammmer · 56-60, M
Thank you for sharing that. I do not believe that a woman has to earn in any way to be treated with respect and courtesy, it seems a bad excuse for immature men to say that it is your fault how you are treated. It never is. It is the fault of the one who withholds respect and kindness from you and in the end, you can only learn to be a rose if you experience being treated like one for a while.
Mona: Thank you for speaking on behalf of all those women who need to be heard but stay to themselves.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
I disagree. YES, some women play the extreme frailty game and attract protective men who want them to be hothouse plants and trophies. BUT, I don't buy the concept that a strong woman is a turnoff or doesn't attract love.
Mona73 · 46-50, F
Ok, let's turn it around here a little bit guys. Is a man who earns a good living and can cook for himself and do his own laundry and sew a button back on all by himself considered less manly? Are single fathers or even stay at home dads seen as lesser men? Society tends to lift those men, to laud them. Women who are self sufficient are often seen as less feminine, less desirable, less of a woman. I do wonder tho, is this just because I live in the south? lol
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Done all that
Mona73 · 46-50, F
@ChipmunkErnie: And were there people who looked at you like you were somehow less manly or virile?
Arorin · M
People are so drawn to words like it actually means something, but I think it is all a lie that they have been fooled with. This world doesn't stop turning or stop moving from any action of any living being. Go out to the beach and pick up a grain of sand and that adds up to anything we are worth or any meaning there is to our existence. The thing is despite how meaningless we really are or how meaningless anything really is the simple fact is that we do exist and we are here. walk the road you chose to walk, be who you want to be, believe what you want to believe, we only get one life and I for one am not going to be held down by the ideals of anyone else.
yeronlyman · 51-55, M
women and men get hurt
Part of being human

Men hurt women women hurt men
Women hurt women (very common)

Women may express themselves more and men tend not to maybe vocalise it
Look at EP and SW the majority reporting hurt are women not men
But that doesn't infer men are less likely to experience just social construct accepts women's vocalisation and men's silent suffering

It's an importance nuance...
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
I don't really think that there's all that much difference between emotionally strong men and women. The world's just cruel to all of us and some are better at dealing with it than others.
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
Yeah, precisely the kind of women I'm referring to as well. I've dated a couple of them myself and I'd count my sister-in-law amongst them as well. Strong psychological character, not prone to breaking down at the slightest push and not reliant on support from others. They exist on both sides of the gender divide, there's just societal norms that don't quite allow for the same level of expression for men. Humans are humans, what kind of bits are between your legs doesn't really make [i]that[/i] big a difference.

Nothing wrong with being strong and no reason a strong woman can't be treated right by a man, or if they so desire another woman for that matter. It's just a matter of finding the right partner. There's several billion other humans out there, there's probably at least a few that won't be assholes to you.
Mona73 · 46-50, F
@UndeadPrivateer: Thanks :) but this wasn't about me. It was just a meme I saw and got into a discussion about and wondered what others thought.
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
Oh, the "you" there was meant as more of an ephemeral one not really directed straight at [i]you[/i] in particular. Should've probably clarified that.
DisturbOne · 41-45, M
Dandylines make some pretty good wine .
Tminus6453 · M
It is about the choices you make, goes the same for guys too...sure there are exceptions to the rule but im sure he's referring the the majority
I preferred dandelions 😊

Everyone deserves love honor and respect
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
No, not the way I feel about a strong woman at all.
SW-User
Strong women can be loving too.

 
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