@helsbels That seems an odd opinion when 'gender identity' isn't restricted to gender variant people but in fact EVERYONE has gender identity, even cis people, even YOU. Your gender identity is mostly socially constructed, just like everyone else's, so yes, there's no sense to it. That's the whole point. Not sure why you're recycling the old trope about 'feelings' as trans people don't choose their gender identity any more than you do. They just work out where they best fit into the spectrum created by society (of which you, presumably are a part). By the way, you most certainly CAN change aspects of sex, not just gender - sex isn't defined by only one parameter.
@mixie But gender, gender identity etc just seems to boil down to sterotypes or superficial things. A man in lipstick is... a man in lipstick. He can express his feelings about his gender, how he presents to the world, but he doesn't become a woman.
A man shouldn't compete against women in sports because he puts on a sports bra instead of a vest.
@helsbels My dude, every time a transphobe is forced to define what a woman is, they fail and collapse. Just save yourself the shame and ditch transphobia before it destroys you like it destroyed Dave Chappelle and JK Rowling.
@BohemianBabe We've had this conversation before, there are loads of examples of grassroots, local, junior level, school level, amateur etc etc clubs and leagues that are allowing men/boys to self id in to opposite sex sport tonthe detriment of women. Do you think it 'doesn't count' because it's not the Olympics? Do you not see how that would be damaging to the next generation of female athletes who hope to continue to enjoy and improve and succeed in sport?
Aside from sport though, what do you make of this? It's a job advert for a support centre for victims of sexual abuse and violence. It's a role that because of its nature is allowed to be posted as 'for women only'. They state here that it allows self-identifying women. Without being graphic, there are reasons why a man would not be suitable for the role. Do you not see the problem that it would cause for a man who identifies as a woman to be in that front facing welcome role, where women who have suffered abuse at the hands of men might not want to be confronted by one? These are the kinds of things 'transphobes' are against and speaking out against only to be called hateful and bigoted.
Genuinely, is there no case or example that could be bought up that might cause you to think 'they might have a point here'?
there are loads of examples of grassroots, local, junior level, school level, amateur etc etc clubs and leagues that are allowing men/boys to self id in to opposite sex sport tonthe detriment of women.
If you care about that, you're psychotic.
Actual sports orgs require HRT treatment for trans athletes. Even Ben Shapiro accidentally admitted this.
Aside from sport though, what do you make of this? It's a job advert for a support centre for victims of sexual abuse and violence. It's a role that because of its nature is allowed to be posted as 'for women only'. They state here that it allows self-identifying women. Without being graphic, there are reasons why a man would not be suitable for the role. Do you not see the problem that it would cause for a man who identifies as a woman to be in that front facing welcome role, where women who have suffered abuse at the hands of men might not want to be confronted by one?
TBH, I think the idea of a women-only support group is pretty stupid. So allowing trans women, not allowing, I think the entire concept is nonsensical and would remain so even if it was for cis women only. Might as well say women only and you have to be left-handed.
But alright, let's say a cis woman wants a therapist who is a cis woman. Sure, I think they should make that accommodation. I also think if someone requests a white cis woman, they should be accommodated. Abuse victims are allowed to be irrational when it comes to therapy. But outright banning men from this space, I think is idiotic.
Genuinely, is there no case or example that could be bought up that might cause you to think 'they might have a point here'?
I've yet to see a case where biological sex is ignored in favor of gender that didn't made sense. Especially considering our society still separates the genders in so many cases where it makes no sense.
Every time there's another incident of a pervert hiding behind a trans identity to abuse women, and we say 'see'! We're told 'well he wasn't REALLY trans, just a man pretending
Except this doesn't actually happen all that often. And there really aren't any laws we could make to stop this. There hasn't been an increase in men raping women in public bathrooms, but even if there was, what law do you want to make? Do you want strip-searches to be done before entering a public bathroom? Oh, but some trans people get bottom surgery. So what, blood tests? Chromosome tests?
I've never seen one trans activist accept this, again it gets called bigotry.
Because it's never asked in good faith. It's like when someone says "all lives matter." Technically, yes, but that's not what they really mean. It's a bad faith deflection.
