Embryo is still a baby or it's a bunch of cells ?

Well, an ultrasound does show a heartbeat. However, bringing up a child in a safe environment, and void of neglect is the real challenge. And then there’s the rape victims. Talk bout PTSD and other traumas for life…and having to birth a child that belongs to your rapist is nothing less than a curse tbh.

that really is a matter of choice of individuals of similar worlds with the latest case ruling in the united states this topic has become a bit of a hot potato [mysteryespresso]

Without the mother there is no baby. They don't come into existence by themselves.

Kill the mother through depression you kill the baby as well especially if it has any kind of defect or through a rape.